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    Quote Originally Posted by Milkster View Post
    I'm pretty sure on this whole thing but I want to be 100% positive.

    So I'm currently leveling PUP and I was wondering which is better for Endgame PUP: Shenlong or Mythic. I'm thinking they're both situational.
    I'd say Kenkonken by miles. Shenlong's are easier to acquire, but they do nothing for your puppet. If you're playing faux-Black Mage by way of your Spiritreaver automaton, which is not that uncommon, the hugely impaired likelihood of Overload from Kenkonken lets you play more aggressively. Moreover, the Aftermath from Stringing Pummel affects both you and your automaton. I cannot imagine the straight damage on Shenlong's (since you'll either have Accuracy from a 100% Stringing Pummel or you'll just compensate) can really compare to the utility of Kenkonken.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arximiro View Post
    Claymore Grip vs. Pole Grip on Warrior when your main WS is RR.
    Well, you could say 3% vs. 2%, if the increase in damage from a Crit is better than 2/3 of a hit then it'd be equivalent. However, Crits don't increase your WS rate. Also, you're not increasing the odds you'll crit by 3% when you use Claymore Grip. Also, you're not increasing the odds you'll DA by 2% when you use Pole Grip.

    Let's say you've got 20% DA and an 11% Crit hit rate (so you're fighting Mamool) without a grip.

    1.22/1.2 = 1.67% increase in DA rate (and WS frequency)
    1.14/1.11 = 2.7% increase in Crit rate

    On WS, there is potentially a 10% Raging Rush crit hit bonus at 100% TP spread across all hits, so:
    1.24/1.21 = ~2.5% increase in Crit rate on WS

    blah blah blah

    Crit doesn't increase WS frequency so Claymore fails, the end.

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    Assuming uncapped acc:

    Which is better,
    Dual weilding: 34D, 190delay, 4Dex, 8 Acc Dakani
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    Main handing the dex Dakani and off handing Siricco Kukri?

    Im hoping they're close enough that I can just keep SK... instead of having to do another Dex dagger, since I'm already doing 1 dex dagger, 2 evasion daggers, and a couple other magian weapons...

    However 20acc from the weapons slots just seems too amazing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yugl View Post
    ACC10 STP4 Body for DRG isn't horrible considering that it also has STR / DEX / VIT +5

    It's clearly not the best choice, but it's a very good blend of some of the other bodies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neosutra View Post
    Assuming uncapped acc:

    Which is better,
    Dual weilding: 34D, 190delay, 4Dex, 8 Acc Dakani
    or
    Main handing the dex Dakani and off handing Siricco Kukri?

    Im hoping they're close enough that I can just keep SK... instead of having to do another Dex dagger, since I'm already doing 1 dex dagger, 2 evasion daggers, and a couple other magian weapons...

    However 20acc from the weapons slots just seems too amazing.
    No double attack athame or blau? If not getting athame then the dex dakini is probably est since thf is getting all sorts of extra haste gear at the cost of acc atm . My thf for example is going to have to change from pizza at some events to sushi thanks to effectively -20 acc for 2% haste from the new haste items once i get them.

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    Assuming both Pizza set and Sushi set are capped accuracy, Pizza set with 2% less Haste will win against Sushi set with 2% more. 2% Haste isn't as good as 50 Attack for THF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Khajit View Post
    No double attack athame or blau? If not getting athame then the dex dakini is probably est since thf is getting all sorts of extra haste gear at the cost of acc atm . My thf for example is going to have to change from pizza at some events to sushi thanks to effectively -20 acc for 2% haste from the new haste items once i get them.
    I assume you're talking about the 6% haste head + 1% haste neck?

    Also, Perfect Fane beats Blau, and Dex Dakini beats perfect Fane... So no need for blau anymore.

    Ive considered the OAT Athame, but with the non jailer weapon proc rate and TA from thf, it is actually slower TP rate than SK off hand, with a bit more DoT ofcourse.

    So it really comes down to: Does the acc, dex boost, and base damage increase outweigh the 150 delay w/ increased TP rate.?

    You do make a good point though, adding 20 acc to the weapon slot would allow for more robust gear selection and higher haste values. However, there are still a lot of times where that acc will be lost. Sushi often overcaps you for acc, feint makes it near worthless when up. But I guess the 20 acc would mean more times I could swap to pure haste/add more attack builds.

    Was looking for more empirical numbers though, as half the events I do on thf will have my TH knife locked in place, so I wanted to make sure the dex Dakini was indeed a substantial improvement over SK.

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    That is assuming you actually benefit from all that acc. I could see it working if it allowed you to go max haste in pizza maybe. I have no idea how magian daggers rank for THF tbh, but perfect fane/blau > all for trash mobs, then x's/blau for harder mobs correct? (Excluding possible better magian combos)

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    I have been MIA from the game for a bit, so I wanted to confirm the following...

    Destroyers (Yes, no Hades Sainti+1) or +21 dmg Mantis? Does +3 damage outparse the 6% crit rate and -7 delay? Anyone done the math yet? If it helps, it's for a 5/5 Usukane Monk (and soon Puppetmaster) for the math (i.e. my accuracy is usually capped).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milkster View Post
    I'm pretty sure on this whole thing but I want to be 100% positive.

    So I'm currently leveling PUP and I was wondering which is better for Endgame PUP: Shenlong or Mythic. I'm thinking they're both situational.
    I absolutely love my Kenkonken and wouldn't give them up for anything. Using Stormwaker I'm able to spam Ice Maneuvers with Ice Maker attachment with no fear of overloading, as well as no hesitations in forcing Maneuvers when using D.A.D. With Valoredge I had to make a build to utilize the Aftermath effect, so now I can /SAM to events, Meditate up, then essentially let him do the work. Not to mention the free Martial Arts bonus it gives you.
    I gave up my shot at Shenlong's when I finished Kenkonken, the only other H2H weapon I have now is Magian augmented with Pet Magic Attack Bonus.

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    Naglering or Subduer.

    For DRK that is.

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    Fairly sure Naglering is the better option of the two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raen Ryong View Post
    Assuming both Pizza set and Sushi set are capped accuracy, Pizza set with 2% less Haste will win against Sushi set with 2% more. 2% Haste isn't as good as 50 Attack for THF.
    Hell, attack in general as a food/ja buff (read: when it affects tp AND ws damage) is underrated for thief completely here. I mean hell, on colibri an acc build (anwig acc/haste+3 and mirke dw/acc) with mithkabobs is basically equal a similar build with turban/raparee (Assuming proper gear in the other slots: cuch, love, tore/rajas, homams etc) and crab sushi. As soon as you factor in being able to Feint every 2minutes and swap to rapparee/turban, then the acc+mithkabob setup beats it comfortably.

    I really agree with Raen here, dropping from pizza to sushi wont be worth the few %s haste you can get unless you're buffed out the hoo-har on attack.

    I see no point either when the haste+6 head piece or haste neck will be worthwhile if they're lowering your acc, or if they mean using them forces you to use sushi over pizza.

    For the Kartika vs Sirocco offhand question: You've said "Kartika > Perfect Fane > Blau". Blau is a better offhand than Sirocco (Which is why you see Mandau/Blau or X's/Blau over Mandau/Sirocco or X's/Sirocco) If Kartika is > Blau, and Blau > Sirocco, then 2x Kartika will surely beat Kartika/Sirocco (Obviously if acc is uncapped)

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    sorry nvm

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    Quote Originally Posted by solkanar View Post
    For COR mele, SH +1 or Cobra Harness?
    Cobra

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    Samurai vs high evasive (Tinnin scenario) HNM + pizza. Average 82/85% acc.
    WS in hachiryu legs + alkyoneus or WS in Myochin kote +1 + Usukane legs? Different mixes?

    *edit: non /thf obviously*

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    Thanx for the answers to the daggers questions.

    And to answer some of the above questions:

    Destroyers beats Mantis. Hades+1 only beats destroyers BARELY and only when acc is uncapped, so dont be too worried about them.

    Nagelring beats Subduer, mostly due to the delay difference allowing for easier X hit builds, (and ofcourse the attack).

    And the above post: Remember your Sam WSs get a huge acc boost for being single hit so with pizza odds are you'll be capped on WS acc either way.

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