What's Better?

[Saroyan]

I'm wondering which magian great axe would be worth doing.

I'm currently stuck with Byakko's Axe, still 2 ranks away from being able to buy a Perdu Voulge and I want a better weapon. With how long its taking me to get my assault rank up I'm thinking the magian trials will be faster.

From what I gather in this thread, Luchtaine has 40% OAT.
If I'm doing the math right it would be great for merit pt's but I don't like doing merits and don't want to upgrade a weapon just for that.
Also I have a Rune Chopper and I read a post where someone did the math on that and RC beats Luchtaine for zerg.

So, really, is there any reason to do Luchtaine? Yeah it would beat Byakko's on DPS but probably worse on WS.

I think that in my situation the D:100 Bonesplitter would be more worthwhile, am I wrong?

[Darkmagi]

RC beats OAT Gaxe if you have march x2 haste and haste samba, OAT wins without samba IIRC. I'm not sure if the OAT gaxe beats fort, and if it does by much though. Since fort can proc on DA and has a higher DA proc you get tp a lot faster. High dmg magian gaxe is worth getting for times your going to have tp beforehand though and nice for a starting ws in a zerg.

[Saroyan]

RC beats OAT Gaxe if you have march x2 haste and haste samba, OAT wins without samba IIRC. I'm not sure if the OAT gaxe beats fort, and if it does by much though. Since fort can proc on DA and has a higher DA proc you get tp a lot faster. High dmg magian gaxe is worth getting for times your going to have tp beforehand though and nice for a starting ws in a zerg.

If the samba part is right then the OAT Gaxe may be worth it since I'll pretty much never have samba, my LS never actually zergs anything though anyways lol.

[Clerix]

Torn on PUP H2H right now.

DMG+7 Mantis, Wagh, Hades Sainti. Not sure which would be best when I'm not using BLM puppet.

[Darkei]

which convination think is better?

Dakini*/Blau
Dakini*/Sirocco
Blau/Sirocco

*Dakini DMG+34 Delay 190 DEX+4 acc+8

[noodles355]

Acc uncapped, darkini+blau, acc capped, blau+sirocco

[Furionstormrage]

Do some lawl nyzul for askar hands and wear the askar head?

Yeah I hadn't thought about both Askar pieces with Swift belt instead of one Askar and Headlong Belt, although that would keep a higher ACC I'd have a lower attack, and I have yet to have unacceptable ACC in Einherjar. (Last few parses since I revamped WAR I've been at 94-96%, although I'm going to swap out Bomblet for Core and Cuch for Foragers and see how that fares.)

[Neosutra]

Focus is only up 40% of the time. If you're capped acc with NO accuracy gear that can be switched out during focus, you're looking at:
3.94% auto damage from destroyers and 0.28% ws damage through quantity regardless
Hades, Focus Up:
1.75% auto damage * .4 = 0.7
1.26% ws damage * .4 = .504

Hades, Focus Down, swapping tor->flame and wasting the remaining 2 accuracy:
3.5% auto damage * .6 = 2.1
2.52% ws damage * .6 = 1.512

Hades, Overall:
Auto damage: 2.8%
WS damage: 2.16%

Given the 60/40 split I keep hearing, that would put hades ahead even if you only benefit from the accuracy without focus:
(2.8 * .6) + (2.16 * .4) = 1.68 + .864 = 2.544
(3.94 * .6) + (.28 * .4) = 2.364 + .112 = 2.476

This is all before considering the fact that, god forbid, you might not be accuracy capped when focus is down and you might not have so much extra accuracy that you already tp in all STR gear during focus.

Jesus. H. Fucking. Christ.

Get over yourself, you can't do the math and you're arguing with gut feeling rather than any form of logical thought.

This isnt "me getting over myself" you twat, it's you be a moron and mathing the results to fit your argument.

If you're capped on acc during focus and dont have any acc gear you can swap out during focus up (meaning you just barely hit 95% acc with focus up), then you're at 80% acc during focus down (since focus is 30 acc or ~15% acc). If you're at 80% acc with focus down, you need to be changing food or TPing in pure acc (including hades).

You COMPLETELY ignored the conditions I posted in the last post and went off on your rant in a SPECIFIC case where your acc was extremely low (80% when focus was down) and did the math to favor Hades+1.

HOLY SHIT, YOU MEAN WHEN YOU PICK A SCENARIO I ALREADY SAID WAS ONE WHERE YOU'D USE HADES... HADES WINS!??!! Somebody alert the press!!

You arent impressing anyone here with damage formula, we all know them. I dont requote them here because there isnt a need. Let me requote your problem here:

2. If the 9acc from Hades+1 puts you at EXACTLY 9acc over cap, and you swap out str for the neck slot to equal destroyers, you do just that: Equal destroyers, and only during focus down phase. As when focus is up, you can keep that str neck piece or flame ring on and have the fstr AND the 6% crit hit.

3. If the 9acc from Hades+1 puts you MORE than 9acc over the cap, then you could have swapped the other peices out for str even when using destroyers.

4. If the 9 acc from hades doesnt put you at cap, you shouldnt be swapping acc out anywhere anyways.

5. If you're way over cap with hades and pizza/sushi, you're right: Eat meat. Then we get in the same discussion: You wont be capped on acc during focus down, so you wont be swapping str into acc spots anywhere. I've already advocated Hades+1 in full acc builds and str builds.

You only addressed item 4, where I already said you'd use Hades. You then danced around like you had wont the debate, ignoring the other premises.

You're wrong. Suck a dick.

[Limlight]

lol i love reading this neo

[Benz]

question, for quickdraw damage, magian 46 base dmg gun or 40 dmg 5 mab weapon?
and, mantis 21 dmg better than destroyers? are any of the magian weapons?

[homerun]

question, for quickdraw damage, magian 46 base dmg gun or 40 dmg 5 mab weapon?
and, mantis 21 dmg better than destroyers? are any of the magian weapons?

D46

[HKR]

This has probably been discussed a million times but the consensus is that for sam Cuch's mantle > amemat +1/forager's mantle right?

[Darkmagi]

If uncapped acc of course, but if you have capped acc due to either acc food, hasso, buffs, etc. by all means foragers/ame +1> Cuchu.

[Maguile]

With 24% gear haste, Bull Necklace/Justice Torque or Tiercel Necklace for capped acc. on Mnk?

[Byrthnoth]

WAR plm build! At the moment I have this:

main: Gondo
sub: Rose
ammo: Bomblet
head: turban
neck: Love
ears: assault/brutal
body: 10acc/4stp acp
hands: dusk
rings: rajas/blitz
back: Acc+6 beak
waist: swift
legs: byakko
feet: aurums

For WS I use haub+1 so I drop to 25 stp. Anyone see better options? I am thinking cuchu, maybe toreador. Basically I am interested if people think Gondo is the best WAR polearm or if engetsuto is better due to the stp.

[Tsuko_Asura]

Isn't an active Rune Chopper better than any 6-hit PLM build a WAR can get? <_<

[Genrye]

With 24% gear haste, Bull Necklace/Justice Torque or Tiercel Necklace for capped acc. on Mnk?

Capped acc? Haste.
Uncapped acc? Probably haste too.
24%? Why are you not at 25% >.>

[Genrye]

Isn't an active Rune Chopper better than any 6-hit PLM build a WAR can get? <_<

Really depends on the gear/merits, i've seen some 24% haste wars murder birds with a polearm

[Maguile]

Capped acc? Haste.
Uncapped acc? Probably haste too.
24%? Why are you not at 25% >.>

Turban/byakkos/blackbelt/usufeet

[Genrye]

Turban/byakkos/blackbelt/usufeet

fumas and 1% neck piece -> 26% -> ??? -> profit