Doctor Who

[Rhinox]

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so this pretty much shits on the whole rory as the master thing?

[silverdragontyr]

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so this pretty much shits on the whole rory as the master thing?

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I thought that was dead when it confirmed Brian as Rory's biological father in the second episode.

[TummieGaruda]

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so this pretty much shits on the whole rory as the master thing?

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The whole thing was pretty much a red herring... Moffatt likes to pull these kind of things.
Also, I don't forsee Karen and Arthur returning for a 50th anniversary. They both said that they have no plans to return since their exit was final...then again rule#1: The Doctor Lies, and so does Moffatt, the cast, and production crew.

Also: The Melody Malone book is being released October 4th as an E-book with the title of "The Angel's Kiss".

and...

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If we go by my previous timeline and the Ponds were living in 2018 and traveled back to 2012 New York, that puts Amy at 29/30 and Rory at 32 (he said he was 31 during Dinosaurs on a Spaceship). On the Tombstone there was no date of death just their age which I found odd, but maybe that was so the doctor didn't try to go back in time to find them. The latest they could have been sent back had to be 1955 if Amy died at the age of 87 (on the tombstone) in 2012. The only thing left is the Melody Malone book. Once the book is released next month maybe it will have clues as to where Amy and Rory actually end up

[Jer]

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I didn't know they were that far apart in current time, guess I didn't' pay attention, from the flashbacks and scenes we did see, it always seemed like they were the same age/same grade. At least she found Rory, even if she did have to wait around a couple years before he appeared, since I don't believe she ran around with The Doctor that much before Rory joined.

[Vlorsutes]

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I didn't know they were that far apart in current time, guess I didn't' pay attention, from the flashbacks and scenes we did see, it always seemed like they were the same age/same grade. At least she found Rory, even if she did have to wait around a couple years before he appeared, since I don't believe she ran around with The Doctor that much before Rory joined.

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I just took that as meaning that maybe she just lived a few years longer than Rory, that he passed away at 82 and then she lived on to 87. From what we saw, she really didn't spend that much time traveling alone with the Doctor, certainly not long enough for their ages to separate that much.

As for the Rolls Royce plaque, I didn't put too much thought into it, since we see several little items here and there in the TARDIS that had Earth origins, but seemed to be integrated into the TARDIS's workings. For example, the monitor in the TARDIS following its "regeneration" at the end of The Eleventh Hour being from Magpie Electricals, and other things like that.

[pohibaba]

^ posted the day the last episode came out. A+ troll.

[Rhyis.]

Welp, I weeped like a wee babe. Absolutely nothing manly about it.

[AzazaelFenrir]

I already had some man tears, but when River called Amy mother I lost it. Great episode. There is an 11 minute video on youtube that is a 'goodbye' to them. http://bit.ly/LastDayOfThePonds (sorry if it was posted, I missed it)

[Septimus]

I didn't think it was really that sad. Maybe because I knew what was coming and the hype around it made it an instant let-down. Maybe because the first few episodes of this season were just so weak. (Look at the last two seasons, this one isn't close to the same caliber.) Maybe because the first episode this season had a little too much character shilling for his next companion, Mary Souffle, and that rubbed me the wrong way. (She's so smart and clever and wonderful that we all must love her instantly because the Doctor does!)

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He could go back and get the Ponds if he wanted to, they aren't stuck in the Nightmare Arms since it doesn't exist. He can't enter New York City with the TARDIS, but there is nothing preventing them from hopping a train to, say, Buffalo or Boston or DC where he could pop back and get them. It probably would have been more emotionally fulfilling if they had just realized that their time with the Doctor was at an end earlier in the season and did guest shots every so often. (Like Martha.)

Also, I hope that he puts the Angels to rest for a good, long while. They really aren't as menacing as they were in Blink.

[Sunrider]

I didn't think it was really that sad. Maybe because I knew what was coming and the hype around it made it an instant let-down. Maybe because the first few episodes of this season were just so weak. (Look at the last two seasons, this one isn't close to the same caliber.) Maybe because the first episode this season had a little too much character shilling for his next companion, Mary Souffle, and that rubbed me the wrong way. (She's so smart and clever and wonderful that we all must love her instantly because the Doctor does!)

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He could go back and get the Ponds if he wanted to, they aren't stuck in the Nightmare Arms since it doesn't exist. He can't enter New York City with the TARDIS, but there is nothing preventing them from hopping a train to, say, Buffalo or Boston or DC where he could pop back and get them. It probably would have been more emotionally fulfilling if they had just realized that their time with the Doctor was at an end earlier in the season and did guest shots every so often. (Like Martha.)

Also, I hope that he puts the Angels to rest for a good, long while. They really aren't as menacing as they were in Blink.

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Rory's paradox-creating sacrifice should have undone the temporal distortions surrounding Manhattan, much as it did with most of the angels. The reason he can't go back to get them is that when Amy chose to go back with Rory, it created a fixed point in time for them.

Honestly, the elements that made the angels terrifying in "Blink" felt absent here, it just felt like the cinematography didn't have the suspense to make the angels a threat. The only really scary scene was with the babies.

[Ohemgee]

Storytelling and proper writing to put them in creepy as fuck situations makes the angels scary. A haunted house with story telling through DVD extras to a character you have no connection to works. (BITCH WATCH OUT FOR THE ANGELS). The angels in a forest/cave/creepy as fuck location progressively getting closer to you works.

What doesn't work with the angels are narratives that fuel their motives (they're purposely sending people back in time to farm them? meh). Showing them how they move (that kind of made me mad). A cliche setting with cliche monuments becoming the enemy (Statue of Liberty should of played a larger role in it, and really I kind of hate story telling in NYC - id love to see ROME as a place for angels. Imagine Michelangelo's paintings coming to life)

I strongly believe that the angels are the scariest doctor who villains (new era). They're meant to be creepy. Slapping a convoluted plot around them just buries what they're good for (creepy/scary factor)

Moffet's strong points before he took over were surreal story telling. The WW2 child (introduces jack harkness, gas mask child, nanogenes) is still my favorite story. Season 7 just doesn't make a lot of sense now. I'm not asking for it to make sense NOW, but there are a lot of events that just feel disjointed, happens without consequence to the overall narrative, and kind of boring. I guess what makes me angry is the way something is being told rather than what the message is (we don't know what that is yet)

[Rhinox]

yeah. imo the less they use the angels the more effective they are.

[TummieGaruda]

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Rory's paradox-creating sacrifice should have undone the temporal distortions surrounding Manhattan, much as it did with most of the angels. The reason he can't go back to get them is that when Amy chose to go back with Rory, it created a fixed point in time for them.

Honestly, the elements that made the angels terrifying in "Blink" felt absent here, it just felt like the cinematography didn't have the suspense to make the angels a threat. The only really scary scene was with the babies.

I think the difference is that with Blink, the cinematography was setup that way because they were introducing the angels. Scenes like when Sally was grabbing the key from the statue and the angels position changed behind her as her head moved in and out of the frame aren't necessary in later episodes because we know how they work...we know they can move fast and are frozen when they are seen.

[Rhyis.]

Fuck everybody. I crapped my pants at the beginning of the episode.

I will agree this season has been rather lackluster compared to the previous two. I think a lot of that comes from the fact that these 5 episodes are basically filler until the new companion comes about, while I don't think there were 5 filler episodes in a row in the previous two seasons. There was always something new to be revealed or a new question that was asked.

[Intrinsic]

Love the Angels, they're by far my favorite recurring villain, but fuck it all if that creepy child from WW2 London doesn't still give me nightmares once in awhile.

[Ragnus]

I'm just hoping that this is a giant segway to bring back a more mature Doctor in either character development or in the 12th Doctor. New companion will probably end up being the same character as the Delekified girl in the first episode because "Something something Daleks...something something Time Stream / Fixed point in time" and causes the Doctor to stop with his second childhood coping mechanism.

[Brill Weave]

I like the angels but for me my favorite villains will always be the Daleks.

[Rhyis.]

Maybe it's because only started watching on this doctor, but I roll my eyes whenever I see a Dalek.

[Ragnus]

Well, the Daleks were the Doctor's first enemies ever and the Time Lords' most major one in general.

The Eccleston season was low budget as hell compared to Smith's but it's still one of my favorites along with him being my favorite Doctor of the new ones. I really recommend watching them all and even going back and watching old Doctor Who.

PS: Yes, it's normal for Martha Jones to grate on you the more you watch her season. Just truck through it.

[Blackice]

Maybe it's because only started watching on this doctor, but I roll my eyes whenever I see a Dalek.

Yeah... you really should at least start from season 1 in 2005 with Eccelston. Daleks will mean SO much more to you.