Doctor Who

[Myrrh_Quetz]

So, my questions about the finale

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1. How did Missy/Master get control of the Cybermen?
2. If people are cremated, then how are they turned into Cybermen. There isn't a corpse to be upgraded?
3. How did the Missy/Master survive the end of time?
4. Why lie to the Doctor about the location of Galifrey? It makes no sense just to fuck with him like that.
5. How does UNIT always know who is the Doctor? I personally think it takes some fun out of it.
6. Did they just rehash the Sontaran invade earth storyline and how to stop them? "We're turning Earth into a breeding ground via something in the air and then is stopped by someone expoding and sacing themselves to make the sky clear again"
7. Now, this is probably going to make me sound horribly racist but fuck it. Why did Pink work so hard to bring that kid back? He died in a warzone. It wasn't some accidental death in a no combat zone. All Flash backs we saw of him in battle were of shit getting serious. Not saying the kid was attacking them or something but it's a question.
8. Why did the Cybermen sound so shitty this time? I used to love their voice but this time it was just shit.
9. I can understand why the Doctor lied to Clara but why did she lie to him? She could have had the Doctor even return the kid to his proper time a few minutes after his death. Pink even said the kid has been dead for sometime. So, sure, he did the kid a solid by bringing him back, but, back to what? A family that would probably never accept him again because not every person knows of the Doctor and his time travel shit. Also, let's not forget that again, the kids been dead for some time. No way in hell that kid is stable enough to live a full life after dying from what looked like a Grenade in the flash back, living in what he thought was the afterlife, then being turned into a Cyberman, only to explode to stop the invasion, then be brought back to life some years after his death in a different part of the world. If he wasn't fucked up before his death, he sure as shit will be now.

I'm sure I have more questions but it's been like 12 hours since I watched it so I've forgotten most of the episode. but ya. Decent finale but just left way too much open in my opinion.
And again, they made it so the Master is pushing a Companion into the Doctors Arms. We already had this storyline in Season 3

Oh and I really help the Christmas special and the next season have much better writing or Doctor Who will have to take a 10 year break again.

[brozy]

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1. Those are her own breed of cybermen so she just programmed them to obey any commands given by the remote control bracelet.
2. I don't believe that they are, in the first part Seb said that cremation would be a problem and now understanding the plan you can see why.
3. Never explained, might get there next season.
4. Its the Master, its pretty much what he/she does
5. No idea but my head canon is that he notifys them when he regenerates.
6. Pretty much yeah, thats Moffet for you.
7. Again Moffet.
8. Only one i actually remember speaking was Dannyman and i assume they altered the voice when the mask was on to sound as if it had emotion.
9. And once more, Moffet. Seriously sometimes he seems as bad as Kubo...

Anyway it was ok in places i guess but like the rest of this season its just been a major let down, i really feel sorry for Capaldi for having to work with some of those stories.

[Qalbert]

legit didn't recognize Nick Frost until I saw his name
also one thing that confuses me is what's up with Orson Pink

[Myrrh_Quetz]

Wait, what scene was Frost in? lol

[Azull]

Orson

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Figure since Dannys death is still very recent Clara could be pregnant? That or the future has changed.

[Qalbert]

Wait, what scene was Frost in? lol

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Santa

[Kaslo]

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Santa

Has me so hype for Christmas

[Myrrh_Quetz]

I really don't like "Oh it's Moffet" as an answer to gaping plot holes and story inconsistencies. It's lazy writing and shitty story telling. Moffet had a few good episodes and now people are willing to accept this garbage.

[Jamison]

Just remembered, weren't we supposed to find out why he has the face of someone he knew this season?

[Qalbert]

I seem to remember some bs early on about pulling an appropriate face from his subconscious or something

[TummieGaruda]

So, my questions about the finale

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1. How did Missy/Master get control of the Cybermen?
2. If people are cremated, then how are they turned into Cybermen. There isn't a corpse to be upgraded?
3. How did the Missy/Master survive the end of time?
4. Why lie to the Doctor about the location of Galifrey? It makes no sense just to fuck with him like that.
5. How does UNIT always know who is the Doctor? I personally think it takes some fun out of it.
6. Did they just rehash the Sontaran invade earth storyline and how to stop them? "We're turning Earth into a breeding ground via something in the air and then is stopped by someone expoding and sacing themselves to make the sky clear again"
7. Now, this is probably going to make me sound horribly racist but fuck it. Why did Pink work so hard to bring that kid back? He died in a warzone. It wasn't some accidental death in a no combat zone. All Flash backs we saw of him in battle were of shit getting serious. Not saying the kid was attacking them or something but it's a question.
8. Why did the Cybermen sound so shitty this time? I used to love their voice but this time it was just shit.
9. I can understand why the Doctor lied to Clara but why did she lie to him? She could have had the Doctor even return the kid to his proper time a few minutes after his death. Pink even said the kid has been dead for sometime. So, sure, he did the kid a solid by bringing him back, but, back to what? A family that would probably never accept him again because not every person knows of the Doctor and his time travel shit. Also, let's not forget that again, the kids been dead for some time. No way in hell that kid is stable enough to live a full life after dying from what looked like a Grenade in the flash back, living in what he thought was the afterlife, then being turned into a Cyberman, only to explode to stop the invasion, then be brought back to life some years after his death in a different part of the world. If he wasn't fucked up before his death, he sure as shit will be now.

I'm sure I have more questions but it's been like 12 hours since I watched it so I've forgotten most of the episode. but ya. Decent finale but just left way too much open in my opinion.
And again, they made it so the Master is pushing a Companion into the Doctors Arms. We already had this storyline in Season 3

Oh and I really help the Christmas special and the next season have much better writing or Doctor Who will have to take a 10 year break again.

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1. How did Missy/Master get control of the Cybermen?

- She created her own army through 3W. The cover of 3W was that the founder realized that the minds of the dead were still connected to their bodies so they
felt whatever was happening to the body. 3W basically stored the bodies of the super rich in mosuleams to preevnt anything from happening to the bodies so the minds could
"Rest in Peace". Missy also harvested the minds of the recently deceased and provide the souls with a way to delete their emotions readying them to be controlled. The
rain cloud allowed the minds to be downloaded to their bodies along with upgrading the corpses to Cybermen.

2. If people are cremated, then how are they turned into Cybermen. There isn't a corpse to be upgraded?

- That's why Seb asked if Danny was going to be creamated. If he was, then he was of no use to them.

3. How did the Missy/Master survive the end of time?

- Something unanswered and hopefully addressed in S9

4. Why lie to the Doctor about the location of Galifrey? It makes no sense just to fuck with him like that.

- It makes perfect sense. She is the Master and it's part of his/her character. Basically build the Doctor up into thinking that Gallifrey was there only for him to find
that it isn't and crush his hopes...remember Bananas

5. How does UNIT always know who is the Doctor? I personally think it takes some fun out of it.

- UNIT keeps tabs on the Doctor and his companions. They also have the ability to scan for alient tech so they know when he's around

6. Did they just rehash the Sontaran invade earth storyline and how to stop them? "We're turning Earth into a breeding ground via something in the air and then is stopped by someone expoding and sacing themselves to make the sky clear again"

- The solution was similar yes

7. Now, this is probably going to make me sound horribly racist but fuck it. Why did Pink work so hard to bring that kid back? He died in a warzone. It wasn't some accidental death in a no combat zone. All Flash backs we saw of him in battle were of shit getting serious. Not saying the kid was attacking them or something but it's a question.

- Danny felt a ton of guilt for accientally killing the kid so he brought him back as a way to redeem himself

8. Why did the Cybermen sound so shitty this time? I used to love their voice but this time it was just shit.

- Seemed ok to me

9. I can understand why the Doctor lied to Clara but why did she lie to him? She could have had the Doctor even return the kid to his proper time a few minutes after his death. Pink even said the kid has been dead for sometime. So, sure, he did the kid a solid by bringing him back, but, back to what? A family that would probably never accept him again because not every person knows of the Doctor and his time travel shit. Also, let's not forget that again, the kids been dead for some time. No way in hell that kid is stable enough to live a full life after dying from what looked like a Grenade in the flash back, living in what he thought was the afterlife, then being turned into a Cyberman, only to explode to stop the invasion, then be brought back to life some years after his death in a different part of the world. If he wasn't fucked up before his death, he sure as shit will be now.

- The Clara part is part of the evolution of her character. She got really good at lying and this whole season was about how much Clara and the Doctor are alike. He lied to pretend to be happy and she did the same. As far as the kid thing yeah he is going to have some mental issues for sure.

[Deftscythe]

What really annoyed me about this finale was I got all excited from the line in the trailer about how "there never was a clara oswald" and then it just turned out to be a throwaway line. That possible storyline was all i really cared about, and it didn't even exist.

[Qalbert]

yeah that screamed "we wanted something enticing for the trailer"

[Scizor]

Wait, what scene was Frost in? lol

Don't click this until you've seen the episode, obviously.

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[Kaslo]

Don't click this until you've seen the episode, obviously.

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Something I never thought I say was "Nick Frost makes a really good Santa Clause." Then this happens.

[brozy]

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Santa for new companion!, they also need to make a 'You've got red on you' joke it just needs to happen.

[TummieGaruda]

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Bag that is bigger on the inside and able to deliver presents to everyone all over the globe in a single night...sounds like a Time Lord to me lol.

[ronin sparthos]

The Good

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-Michelle Gomez nailed the Master. Anyone who thought the Master being female would detract from anything was sadly mistaken. Terrifying, sadistic, jealous, hilarious and overall fun. That creepy 'Happy Birthday' thing was the best part of the episode. The Master is just as lonely and bored as the Doctor and wants his friend back. Awww.

I was never a fan of John Simms Master but Gomez delivered. Tell me something nice: That we'll see more of evil Mary Poppins.

-Capaldi's reaction to being faked out on Gallifrey was powerful. I felt like the Master really broke him at that point. Funny enough, I think the Master wasn't lying and Gallifrey really is there via wibbly wobbly. I do hope we get Gallifrey back though, it'd be nice to see more modern takes on Time Lord society and the Doctor having to deal with his people again.

-Love him or hate him, Danny Pink stuck to character through and through. Him sending that kid through the portal is totally his form. From start to end Danny Pink plays a selfless hero and dies a selfless hero.

A foil to the Doctor or a poorly written one dimensional character? You decide.

-The Doctor saluting the Cyberman Brigadier.

Yes, they totally telegraphed it but it was touching nonetheless.

Also Moffat, implement a system where knuckles are hit with a ruler if writers decide to use either Daleks or Cybermen.

[Intrinsic]

What a horrific season. Even the finale was terrible, aside from Michelle Gomez acting her ass off and doing the Mary Poppins. Give Capaldi the boot and install Gomez as the new doctor.

[Qalbert]

give Moffat the boot, keep Capaldi