Death Sentence for Sorcery

[ZarakiKujata]

Pretty sure he can cast wingardium leviosa and get out of hock.

[Koul]

oohhhh this makes me think of when the 1st harry potter movie came out. The mormons around town were picketing it saying it's evil etc...

also death metal is satans music trying to grab at your soul.

So if sorcery is real, does that mean that Vampires, werewolfs and swamp men exist? If so then when's the next full moon/nighttime so I can bar my windows shut and encase myself in a circle of garlic and salt.

what wards off swamp men? also, how do I protect myself against Frankenstein's? Is it okay if I get help from a good witch or should I give her name to authorities for proper beheading? Am I forgetting any monsters? Oh wait what about the boogy-man? What wards him off?

What keeps spirits and ghosts away from me? Oh man how do we protect ourselves from ghosts??? If only we had someone who could speak to them... but we'd have to behead those people then, right? Because of their magical sorcery? and would my garlic/salt circles be considered sorcery? Oh no. please don't tell the police. I don't want to get beheaded, I'm just trying to ward off evil.

[desertigloo]

According to CNN, he will be beheaded on Friday.

Oh man, I miss Friday beheadings.

I lived in Riyadh for two years while I was in middle school. We accidently wandered out on Friday and into an area called clocktower. We were just chilling in the gold souks and got rounded up, shoved into an open area they called "chop-chop square". They put a white blanket around the square, and luckily our driver came and pulled us out before they started, but as we drove away you could definetly see the blood getting washed out from under the curtain.

While I know the beheading for sorcery is a bit extreme, having public mutilations really deters people from commit minor acts of crime. People tend to jump the rope from stealing to murder pretty easily, go big or go home na mean.

It's a pretty neat place overall, I wouldn't mind going back, if I spoke arabic.

[Chen]

BG and religion....

you CAN be ignorant of the concept of creationism, argueing for the sake of the argueing just makes you look retarded.

[Takedown3]

if anyone thinks we were plopped down here on earth by some giant magic frog then you are FUCKED in the head and need to back into your mama's womb and be aborted

[ZarakiKujata]

if anyone thinks we were plopped down here on earth by some giant magic frog then you are FUCKED in the head and need to back into your mama's womb and be aborted

I agree, because everybody knows we were plopped down here by a giant spaghetti monster. We have all been touched by his noodly appendage.

[Takedown3]

just one appendage and not multiple?

[ZarakiKujata]

Well if you figure that with 6 billion people, it makes sense for all of us to get 1.

[Plow]

Yes, again: The followers of Jesus and Mohamud have killed far more people than the followers of Hitler.

I'd agree that Jesus wouldn't support murder over these issues, however that isn't the same as saying he is directly murdering innocents as you implied. Not to mention, being believed in by someone (including "religious crime") does not mean their actions = his actions. Belief/following are based on love and trust, not some unified bond that equates all actions between the believers.

Go kill yourself and add to the numbers please. How's that Engineering degree coming btw?

Much more productive things for me to do than figure out better ways to kill people like you do.

How's that theory of everything developing in Afghanistan? Did you learn to spell Afghanistan yet?

[Neosutra]

How many people did Hitler directly murder Plow?

We've argued this before, but because you are dense and cant remember (or didnt understand the first time I simplified it for you): Both Jesus (if he even existed) and Mohamud taught idealogies of exclusionism. Philosophies that other beliefs were wrong and would result in damnation. The bible has Jesus referring to non Jewish people as "dogs", but i guess he at least gave them the scraps off the masters table . The Quran goes a bit farther with direct instructions to kill/destroy, but the implications in the bible are just as influencing (as we have seen from the MILLIONS of deaths at the hands of Christianity and Islam).

If you had the intelligence to not flunk out of engineering school you might be able to fathom this concept. Go check google and see if you can figure it out.

[Yugl]

I already said the government here is corrupt, gl fixing that in any government. It's still better than what was there before.

Norway does damn well at it depending on your definition of corruption.

And if you want to come fix our government, come try. I havent a clue how to get rid of the republicans.

WELL PLAYED SIR.

You're missing the point.. Creationism is a concept built on ignorance of current scientific knowledge.

Almost everything starts with a concept built on ignorance because to get to the ratio level of measurement takes thousands of years of work. Until then, you simply have to rely on assumptions. As for the rest of the argument, creationism is still strong because we currently do not have the means (If ever) to disprove it.

On that note, I would also point out how ridiculous the "theory" of evolution is. The strongest will survive is essentially what it boils down to. Who are the strongest? The ones that survive obviously. Who are the ones that survive? The ones that are best equip to survive. We might as well say the ones that survive are the ones that survive. It's a damn tautology that brings forth *very* few predictions. The fact that it doesn't bring forth many (If any) predictions is why it falls under a research paradigm rather than a theory.

Why do I bring that up? To point out that both sides (Religious v Science?) of the issue are ridiculous.

[Sepukku]

The US government helped fund said drug lords and extremist islamic groups in order to destroy the Russian backed government and the Russian military itself. Yes, the current problem is the US's fault.

Saudi Arabia is wealthy cause of US Funding vs the Commies? News to me... Thought we filled Afghanistan with guns and RPGs to fight the Commies, didn't know we hooked up Saudi Arabia by pumping billions of drums of oil under their shale layer to somehow battle Communists...

[Cadsuane]

Norway does damn well at it depending on your definition of corruption.



WELL PLAYED SIR.



Almost everything starts with a concept built on ignorance because to get to the ratio level of measurement takes thousands of years of work. Until then, you simply have to rely on assumptions. As for the rest of the argument, creationism is still strong because we currently do not have the means (If ever) to disprove it.

On that note, I would also point out how ridiculous the "theory" of evolution is. The strongest will survive is essentially what it boils down to. Who are the strongest? The ones that survive obviously. Who are the ones that survive? The ones that are best equip to survive. We might as well say the ones that survive are the ones that survive. It's a damn tautology that brings forth *very* few predictions. The fact that it doesn't bring forth many (If any) predictions is why it falls under a research paradigm rather than a theory.

Why do I bring that up? To point out that both sides (Religious v Science?) of the issue are ridiculous.

Are you actually referencing that stupid argument you made about temperature scales in that other thread?

[Neosutra]

Yugl.. A theory isnt strong due to not being able to be disproven, it is strong based on the foundations (premises, evidence, supporting observation) that the theory was derived on.

Creationism isnt a "strong theory", it is a poorly drafted theory with MANY logical fallacies, and cant even be called a good "theory". At best it is a poorly drafted hypothesis.

You are also misrepresenting the word theory when you attempt to attack evolution. It isnt just "the strongest will survive". That is a large part of it, as it specifies natural selection, which is the cause of a majority of genetic filtering among species, but it isnt quite that simple.

You cant even compare creationism as a "theory" to evolution as a "theory", they arent even in the same league.

Maybe Im misunderstanding you or something, but were you really trying to infer that evolution was just as rediculous as creationism? I hope not.

[Kuya]

Saudi Arabia is wealthy cause of US Funding vs the Commies? News to me... Thought we filled Afghanistan with guns and RPGs to fight the Commies, didn't know we hooked up Saudi Arabia by pumping billions of drums of oil under their shale layer to somehow battle Communists...

I didn't mention Saudi Arabia.

[Sepukku]

This story is about Saudi Arabia...?

Why are people arguing creationism and a battle in a country 1000 miles away?

[Sepukku]

(edit: Bleh combining posts)

[Cadsuane]

Yugl.. A theory isnt strong due to not being able to be disproven, it is strong based on the foundations (premises, evidence, supporting observation) that the theory was derived on.

Creationism isnt a "strong theory", it is a poorly drafted theory with MANY logical fallacies, and cant even be called a good "theory". At best it is a poorly drafted hypothesis.

You are also misrepresenting the word theory when you attempt to attack evolution. It isnt just "the strongest will survive". That is a large part of it, as it specifies natural selection, which is the cause of a majority of genetic filtering among species, but it isnt quite that simple.

You cant even compare creationism as a "theory" to evolution as a "theory", they arent even in the same league.

Maybe Im misunderstanding you or something, but were you really trying to infer that evolution was just as rediculous as creationism? I hope not.

Dude, seriously. Ridiculous doesn't have an e.

I can clarify a part of what he said for you. The "ratio level of measurement" thing comes from a point he made in another thread about temperature scales originally being poor "theories" since without a minimum temperature of absolute zero, temperatures can't be compared to one another proportionally. For instance a temp in Celsius can't be said to be x times hotter/colder than another temp in farenheit. Apparently without that "ratio level measurement" they were meaningless as units of scale. Somehow he wove that into some argument about the emergence of the kelvin scale or some shit vindicating his opinion on the fundamental weakness of the scientific method and... fuck I dunno it was fucking gobbledigook really.

[Neosutra]

I really have no interest in his reason for such a poor comparison.

And yes, thankyou, I turn off auto-correcet on the Iphone when typing and I dont get to preview before post due to barely being able to connect where Im at to begin with. If you have any more spelling corrections, please feel free to send me an email detailing where I made them so I can cut myself from the embarrasment of making a typo.

[Cadsuane]

I did find it a bit interesting though. Of the like, four or five posts I've seen Yugl make on the whole religion vs. science theme he keeps referencing that ratio measurement thing, like a weird freudian fixation. It's like one of those meticulously constructed non-linear fallacies that are so wrong you don't even know where to start correcting it unless you know the deep seated psychology behind it, which is another theme underpinning the issue of scientific education.