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[ZarakiKujata]

The Beatles didn't have any virtuosos when it came to singing or an instrument (although the argument could most definitely be made that Lenon and McCartney, at least, were virtuoso songwriters and arrangers), but they were absolutely masters of making great music.

You shut your whore mouth, Ringo Starr is a god amongst men as a songwriter, drummer, and human being.

[Kyreth]

You shut your whore mouth, Ringo Starr is a god amongst men as a songwriter, drummer, and human being.

George. Fucking. Harrison. Beatles, Traveling Wilburys (10 days work, triple platinum album), solo career, considered one of the best guitarists of his time.

Agreed. The best work is always done by people who love their work- so if you ever figure out how to translate that from MMOs to reality, or use MMO's to get solutions from people? Success.

[ZarakiKujata]

George. Fucking. Harrison. Beatles, Traveling Wilburys (10 days work, triple platinum album), solo career, considered one of the best guitarists of his time.

Agreed. The best work is always done by people who love their work- so if you ever figure out how to translate that from MMOs to reality, or use MMO's to get solutions from people? Success.

lol I agree with Harrison 100%, such an underrated Beatle just did not want to get into a pointless argument about guitarists. Figured was easiest to take a shot at Ringo cause I mean, nobody likes Ringo

http://www.anomalousmaterial.com/mov...of-summer1.jpg

[Qalbert]

gdi, need to watch that again

[ZarakiKujata]

gdi, need to watch that again

[archibaldcrane]

I love you BRP.

And that book "Outliers" sounds either incredibly stupid or the ideas contained therein are being woefully misapplied.

[Quicklet]

But imagine the possibilities if, say, getting to the Lich King involved creating and maintaining those Argent Crusade supply lines-- but coming up with the method and implementation completely yourself.

One problem I see with this is that MMOs are drifting more and more toward instant gratification and away from making you think outside the box. WoW essentially puts as much of the game on rails as it can, and whenever people figure out some really effective solution to a problem (sometimes TOO effective, like pallies being able to chain stun adds on Anub'arak), they nerf it and put everyone back on the rails again. In effect, they punish people for coming up with too good of a solution to the problems they're given.

The other thing is that most of these problems are designed to be simple enough that you really don't need to think very hard to solve them. If the problem is too hard (or impossible given the mechanics of the game), people stop having fun and a lot of them will lose the motivation to keep working on it, much like it works with in real life. Sure, you have the dedicated people who are determined to solve it no matter way, just like in real life, but how is that any different? I'm not sure this "MMO-problem-solving-power" will translate the way she thinks it will.

Oh, and I've read Outliers. It's okay. The main punchline to the book is that environmental factors (like what time period you were born, what resources you have access to, what your cultural norms are) seem to have a lot more to do with people's success than any kind of inherent talent. Stuff about how professional hockey players tend to have birthdays in the same few months of the year because of how junior leagues work and the fact that the kids who just make the age cutoff are the ones who are several months more developed and therefore get all the additional resources while growing up. Things like Bill Gates having access to time on computers back when they only existed at universities because he just so happened to live down the road from one, etc. Almost the entire book is anecdotal though, so really it's a "you believe it or you don't" kind of thing. The Beatles chapter talked about how before they got famous they basically spent years touring nearly nonstop, 18 hours a day everyday playing at small clubs and stuff around Europe, and in that process they put in so much practice that their music became like second-nature to them. In other words, they got all their "off nights" over with so that when they finally got to the big stage, they were so good at their music that they never had off nights (the "10,000 hour" rule).

I'm not sure I believe his overall thesis, but it's interesting to think about at least.