Dat Mining Discussion

[spooky]

http://ffxi-europe.com/FreeHaut.jpg

Free Hauteclaire? :D

How does this compare? Anyone?

it closes the gap some what, but it's still a long way off Hauteclaire.

[Norellicus]

I don't use a sword that much so feel free to chime in. I'm just trying to start a discussion comparing the two:

Assuming 45% DA (approx. Joyeuse DA rate)

DPS

• Antea has base 13.18 DPS
• Joyeuse has base 13.59 DPS

TP

• (Assuming 0% TP at start, 0% Store TP)
  
  • Antea
    
    • 7% TP per hit
    • 10 attack rounds
    • 44.0 seconds
    
    
  • Joyeuse
    
    • 6% TP per hit
    • 12 attack rounds
    • 44.4 seconds
    
    
  
  
• (Assuming 0% TP at start, 6% Store TP - Brutal + Rajas)
  
  • Antea
    
    • 7.4% TP per hit
    • 10 attack rounds
    • 44.0 seconds
    
    
  • Joyeuse
    
    • 6.3% TP per hit
    • 11 attack rounds
    • 40.7 seconds
    
    
  
  
• (Assuming at least 1 hit from previous WS, 6% Store TP - Brutal + Rajas)
  
  • Antea
    
    • 7.4% TP per hit
    • 9 attack rounds
    • 39.6 seconds
    
    
  • Joyeuse
    
    • 6.3% TP per hit
    • 11 attack rounds
    • 40.7 seconds
    
    
  
  

Summary:

• If Antea DA rate is same as Joyeuse then ...
• Antea wins for TP spam assuming 6% Store TP (Brutal + Rajas) after first WS (and assuming WS doesn't miss)
• Antea can be worn by BLU (Joyeuse cannot), Joyeuse can be worn by other jobs (COR and WAR come to mind)
• Antea has higher DMG rating = higher WS damage

My math a bit ago found differently, Joyeuse always wins due to the delay (though you don't notice until about the 4th concurrent ws)...but I think I was using two decimal places. Does TP always floor at tenths? I can't remember. If it does then it makes sense why I came out differently~

[Nermie]

My math a bit ago found differently, Joyeuse always wins due to the delay (though you don't notice until about the 4th concurrent ws)...but I think I was using two decimal places. Does TP always floor at tenths? I can't remember. If it does then it makes sense why I came out differently~

Yeah other wiki says:

TP gained per hit is truncated after the tenths decimal position: say you use an Horror Voulge (Delay:489), the formula above result in 13.27 TP/hit, which is truncated to 13.2 TP/hit.

I don't know if this changes your calcs. Give it a try

[Norellicus]

Yeah, it does, I don't have the formulas with me anymore (firefox dump ) but I distinctly remember the tp/hit being 7.0x and 6.0x, so that extra hundredth is what would have made the difference in the long run. Without that it's exactly what got posted above.

[Gwynplaine]

Bumping.
Does anyone know where the Hecate's Cape comes from? Has it still not been found?

[enoch]

Same goes for Reign Grip, where is it?

Also; I wouldn't think about replacing Joytoy with Antea... but Justice Sword. Free up that ammo slot and keep decent dmg for those fun RDM/NIN en-spell fights that come up from time to time.

[ronin sparthos]

So the missing items are:

Dinner Jacket
Hecate's Cape
Tiercel Necklace
Zilant Ring
Allied Ring
Reign Grip
Nocturnus Mail/Helm
Dinner Hose
Nightfall

Hm... the Shadow Lord BCNM is the source of the Nocturnus and Nightfall for obvious reasons but perhaps the Grip is also a reward? That's based on the idea that the other Campaign Ops of this calibur dropped grips as well.

Dinner Hose might be apart of the Feast of Swords event coming up soon? Along with the event items.

[Gwynplaine]

Dinner Jacket/Hose are for the upcoming 8th anniversary event.

So most likely the Shadow Lord Ops pool is most of that stuff.

[Dooom]

That no one has found Zilant Ring yet surprises me, considering that there's plenty of screenshots of the other stat+6 rings thus far. While I'd be surprised if it dropped from another NM or BCNM or something considering the other rings drop from VNMs, there's only 6 ring-dropping VNMs, so... hmph. Especially as "Zilant" is a creature between a wyrm and a dragon, and Yilbegan looks like a cross between the two :/ (clicky). I'm actually a bit annoyed about this now! Such inconsistency.