Relic Augments

[FailureMidgard]

Between SV and Delay cap situations, I guess there are a few factors I didn't consider, so I concede Harp is not as complete crap as I made it out to be. But I will argue against the Gjallar being harder to obtain. As far as I'm aware, Emp Harp takes 50 Iron Scales, 50 Souls, and 75 Horns. Scales have a drop rate of ~25% /w TH6 meleeing, but is fairly easy to spam. Souls require a T3 VNM which realli can't be spammed with ease. T1->T2 rate is already fairly horrible. While T2->T3 isn't as bad, it's still rough, and I don't know the drop rate on souls from T3. 3rd item is horns from the Vrtra NM which while fairly easy to pop as it only requires 1 KI from a timed NM, has a shit drop rate on Horns. Granted dynamis is outdated, I still feel it's easier/less hours to obtain a GHorn (factoring in a large part of it can bought for gil) and get do the Dynamis Trials to hit LV90 version than obtain the Harp.

The Grauberg Iron Giant is ~25%, the Altepa one seems to be 100% for 1, 25% for 2 Iron Plates.
Souls I think are 100% 1, good chance at 2...past that, at least in my LS, a ton of people have a T3 in 1 zone or another because VNM T2 seems to be the easiest way to come across +2 body seals. As such, popping T3s (now, before people finish on +2 bodies) is quite painless. No matter how you look at it though, I'm fairly certain in the time it takes to take a 75 Ghorn to 90, doing ~2hrs a day towards harp will finish you. And that's ignoring the 150million gil that has to be earned to even reach that stage on Ghorn. Granted, it's not too hard to make gil these days - but it's not hard at all to get Empyrean items either. I think we would have almost finished 1 person's Iron Plates just taking Altep Giant from 0>100 except for the fact we did it in 2 sessions to 50%, and didn't put them all on the same person. Anyway, too much effort to figure it out exactly, but time is gil/etc.

Anyway, I still think you are understating how good the harp is by saying "it isn't complete crap"...I think quite the opposite, and if I had to pick between a harp and a ghorn at this point, they are close to equal with harp being better currently, and harp having far more potential in the days to come (virtually any new song added, for any job archetype will favor harp, universally). The situations that Ghorn beats harp (and even then, marginally as 70 attack should roughly equal 2% haste anyway) are few and far between.

[Scrooge]

For clarification: The Empyrean Harp requires 75 Apademak's Horns (The Khymaira). The Shield is what uses the Azdaja's horns (Vrtra).

Although it has no real bearing toward what's better to make from scratch, the smart ass answer on Daurdabla vs Gjallarhorn is upgrade Daurdabla on your existing Gjallarhorn mule and get the best of both worlds. Assuming you can use the Harp for only the third song, not all three.

[Malacite]

Assuming BRD gets a 3rd march (and it probably will, might not come until final level cap but I'm sure we'll get it) wouldn't that just skew things in favor of the harp even more? Unless they boost Ghorn to +4 I don't see it staying competitive at 99, especially if the final harp allows for 4 songs.

Still no info on the shield?

[Atoreis]

What exactly change 3rd march? Its probably another of your "type before think" post but I tho I will ask.

[Sehrahin]

Loving Lv90 Bravura, Metatron went from doing 1100-1900~ to 2500-4700 damage in abyssea.

[Kirschy]

Loving Lv90 Bravura, Metatron went from doing 1100-1900~ to 2500-4700 damage in abyssea.

I'm guessing 4700 was a Triple Attack proc or something? Or can relic WS crit now?

[Sehrahin]

Was double attack with restraint, did 4500~ with triple no restraint.

[Sehrahin]

To add, still sucks on high defense stuff. Numbers before was on xp stuff i.e murex. Still doing 1k metatron on something that previously took like nothing from it is an improvement.

[Malacite]

Murex take bonus damage while casting though.

Still that's pretty sexy.

[Sehrahin]

Like I am dumb enough to test on casting murex.

[Virg]

Very happy about this. Any word on possible enhanced relic procs yet?

[Sehrahin]

Eyeballing it, it seems no increase in relic proc rate.

[Atomic Skull]

I'm guessing 4700 was a Triple Attack proc or something? Or can relic WS crit now?

The DEF down aftermath might have been increased at lvl 90.

[Quantic Dream]

Interesting, so I guess relics are now close 2nd then. Melee relics that is, i.e. Amano.

[Lovex]

Interesting, so I guess relics are now close 2nd then. Melee relics that is, i.e. Amano.

Annhilator is still "The best" ranged weapon for "main" RNG is it not? I know Armegaddon sucks for RNG but I thought I read somewhere Gandiva shits on Yoichi? Question is.. Does Gandiva shit on Annhil?

[Nermie]

I'm trying to find out after seeing the screenshots on Gandiva's damage. Although, to really test this I have to get my Anni up to lvl90...

I'm on vacation so it'll be 1-2 weeks. Hopefully somebody can beat me to it

[Sehrahin]

Apoc and Amano in my LS seeing similar damage to mine. Kaiten is pretty butch again. Seeing as both those weapons have no crit WS, Catastrophe and Kaiten is prolly their best WS. Raging Rush spiking higher than Metatron and doing better on anything harder still though, not a totally useless WS now at least.

[Malacite]

Annhilator is still "The best" ranged weapon for "main" RNG is it not? I know Armegaddon sucks for RNG but I thought I read somewhere Gandiva shits on Yoichi? Question is.. Does Gandiva shit on Annhil?

Eh, I can't back it up with screens but someone I was XP the other day with says a guy he knows managed a 9k Jishu's Radiance inside Abyssea. Seeing as people were reporting 5~7k with only 2/3 hits landing, doesn't sound unreasonable to me. RR + GH + SA and you're good?

[Nightfyre]

Infinite MP so nobody cares about damage taken etc, but wasn't the whole point of relic gun/bow the low enmity generation? If you want absolute max damage then sure, Gandiva probably shits on everything else RNG can use. If you're trying to promote sustainable damage over time instead of getting faceraped constantly then I'd imagine Anni/Yoichi still win.

[Lovex]

Eh, I can't back it up with screens but someone I was XP the other day with says a guy he knows managed a 9k Jishu's Radiance inside Abyssea. Seeing as people were reporting 5~7k with only 2/3 hits landing, doesn't sound unreasonable to me. RR + GH + SA and you're good?

Yeah, sorry dude. I'm not taking the word for anyone who thinks having three gimp songs from empry harpe is better than two super buffed songs from horn.

edit: lolz