Relic Augments

[FailureMidgard]

Because I said abyssea wont end.

What I'm saying is at 90 all 75 content is easy, all of it, no matter what, I don't care how hard you think it was at 75, it's not now. Argueing over what gear you're going to wear and what job is the bestest ever outside abyssea really doesn't mean shit seeing as WE DONT KNOW WHATS COMING NEXT UPDATE. There will be new mobs, new gear, possibly new zones with new addons, so why the fuck are you argueing?

So again I say, you're the best outside abyssea, good job, 75 content is hard.

Again, 75 content IS harder than Abyssea content. Really it is. Salvage, Limbus, Dynamis, kings are -all- harder than anything in Abyssea. That aside, you seem to suffer from this delusion I've seen many people have that a different mob somehow has a huge impact on dmg output. Unless they keep RR or they make the entire content immune to slashing, the way the game is now OUTSIDE OF ABYSSEA is how it will be then. Yes, some new gear may have some minor impact on things, but really, unless they keep the idea of Atma, it doesn't really matter what they add.

So again I say, you're the best inside abyssea, good job, content without resources or even a moderate risk of death is hard.

[Fievel]

I don't think I've ever seen you dick ride SAM this hard before, I'm kind of disappointed in you to be honest. Just listen to yourself and your argument right now, this is like the fucking retard Olympics.

Also, read my post, I said hard, not harder.

Making your argument based around what you want the person to say and not based on what they said usually isn't helpful to your case.

[FailureMidgard]

I don't think I've ever seen you dick ride SAM this hard before, I'm kind of disappointed in you to be honest. Just listen to yourself and your argument right now, this is like the fucking retard Olympics.

Also, read my post, I said hard, not harder.

Making your argument based around what you want the person to say and not based on what they said usually isn't helpful to your case.

Yet, I've argued against that bullshit logic you're spewing a million times. XYZ is not hard is a -terrible- argument to use in FFXI. None of this content is hard. This isn't WoW where your group's damage output is the difference between success and failure. The only "challenge" to this game is how long can you grind whatever the fuck you are grinding to get the gear you want. If you want to use that argument, go post it EVERYWHERE, and never post any gimps, because the fact of the matter is, we can kill all this shit that isn't hard (esp in Abyssea) with complete crap gear on crap jobs. If you're here partaking in arguments on BG, it's because at least some small part of you cares about what's "the best". I honestly don't even recall how we got on this topic, and I guarantee you not a goddamn thing I've said to you personally has had a thing to do with Sam. I don't even play the game at the moment, I really could care less about anything actually in game, the entire game feels beyond pointless to me (cause I hate single player games, and that's exactly what FFXI has become). I'm posting here because I enjoy the debates and the intellectual discussion behind it far more than I enjoy actually logging in and playing the game at the moment - and this has nothing at all to do with Sams, I promise you. I'm not dickriding Sam, it's overall pretty useless which is why the last time I geared it was probably before I went on vacation for Christmas, well over a month ago. That being said, I'm not so band-wagoned and hating on Sam to be deluded as to how it stands outside Abyssea. We get it, you don't care about outside Abyssea. Great for you. I don't care about inside Abyssea, and again, this has nothing to do with Sam. I also don't particularly care about outside Abyssea, as I'd rather log onto WoW than FFXI atm (but sadly, WoW has the same problem it's always had and is only fun while raiding, which is a very limited number of hours per week), but the fact remains that Fudo Sam is the top DD there. Period. That is all, I made that statement with absolutely no attachment to Sam. Now you want to know what I do have an attachment to and what I am dickriding? My fucking Ego. I'm right, I like being right, and I'll fight tooth and nail to prove it when the counter examples are as poorly thought out and written as what has been posted here thus far. My posts to you are responding to your bullshit that has nothing to do with Sam.

And now you say "I said hard, not harder". You had a definite implication that BECAUSE OUTSIDE ABYSSEA CONTENT ISN'T HARD, WE SHOULDN'T CARE ABOUT WHAT'S BEST THERE. I'm saying, that if we are going to make a relation between caring and difficulty, we should thus care more about outside abyssea because it is in fact harder. If we don't care about something because it isn't hard, we obviously don't care about inside or outside abyssea, but the one that is less hard should be cared about less, no? I didn't fucking put words or ideas in your mouth, you just didn't think at all about what you posted.

[Scrooge]

Do you really think 90>99 is going to be inside Abyssea?

Nope, not particularly. But on the same vein, considering SE has released no real formalized, concrete content projection, the fact that we're presumably done with buy-to-play mini expansions for now, the constant reshuffling of the development team, SE's focus on trying to salvage 14, and the consistently game-jarring changes they've recently been making, I don't really think it's all that meaningful to spend time arguing and making mathematical comparisons based on today's utterly outdated content and projecting it onto what content we may or may not end up seeing in any foreseeable future.

You talk about people "shutting their eyes" to Abyssea potentially/likely ending, and that's in my opinion, pretty fair to say. But then again, maybe I'm wrong, but it seems to me like anyone who spends as much time as you on arguing about SAM's place outside Abyssea is shutting your eyes to the current state of the game and hoping fervently it'll get back to the point where you want it to go. I can't be the only person that finds it somewhat odd if not outright strange that so much discussion on these forums is centered around or derails into SAM talk, considering the best thing that can be said about the job these days is that it's either A) a not-spectacular, not-drk-level-trashy melee or B) it's the job that's best at content that no one cares about anymore. There's no accounting for player taste, and people are free to like whatever job they may, but SAM's continued place as the center of conversation seems to me more artificial than deserved.

You talk about efficiency, and you've gotta realize that has not a small amount to do with everyone's disdain for SAM. It's perceived damage/lack of damage may be one of the big reasons, but the fact that SAM can't do anything unique towards proc'ing blue, yellow, or red !!, or for that matter, anything else helpful beyond just another not special DD is what truly buries it in public opinion.

[muhn]

to failure

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[Fievel]

Holy fucking wall o' text, I'm not even going to bother reading that seeing as I'm sure its the same thing as 99% of your posts, 1000 word block of text that in the end says nothing at all.

[Atomic Skull]

Who cares? You both just made this entire thread a giant wall of text that nobody gives two fucks about.

This. I just skipped over it.

[Salmijr]

But fail, didnt you make the game single player by choosing to make a pl mule? Sure, efficiency and "man hours" and all that, but if you dont want to play solo, dont use your mule? Sure, the entire game revolves about spamming shit for seals and +2 items, but thats really no different than the last 6 years, you just dont need 18 people to do it.

Do I miss group activities? Sure. I still think that Lamton and DI were fun fights, and I sadly missed PW due to RL . But there is still stuff we can do outside, if we choose. People would still love to fight PW, if even for the atma alone. We can still try AV non-zerg, etc.

Personally, I dont expect any type of expansion in 3 months, since SE is focused on salvaging 14. I wouldnt expect anything until summer tbh. Even if they do decide to patch sometime in march, it will probably be 90-95 in order to make Heroes zones as easy as scars zones are now.

[Atoreis]

Failure do you realize that:
a) Impetus was added and with body +2 it gives tremendous boost for mnk. Its up to +50% crit rate + 50%crit dmg +100 attack. Ofc you wont have max bonus all the time but with 95% acc you should avg at least at +20% crit rate/dmg and +40 att for 60% of the time. Thats huge boost.
b) Blood rage was added. When its not as beastly like Impetus (because its only up 20% of the time) its still significant bonus for WAR outside abyssea.
c) Ukko's is usually 2-3 hit ws and number in content like ein where mobs dies in a sec can be screwed by overkilling the mob and not striking all hits (even more for vmiste)
d) Blood rage from war can support mnk, nin, drg.
e) Numbers you posted are pretty low. I was doing temenos western tower on my NIN and :hi was avg 1800 with spikes of 2800 with /dnc sub. Both Ukko's and Vmsite should be much higher (maybe they didnt gear up for outside abyssea and just used inside abyssea macros?). Perhaps you should ask those ppl if they forgot what's dDEX is?

[FailureMidgard]

Failure do you realize that:
a) Impetus was added and with body +2 it gives tremendous boost for mnk. Its up to +50% crit rate + 50%crit dmg +100 attack. Ofc you wont have max bonus all the time but with 95% acc you should avg at least at +20% crit rate/dmg and +40 att for 60% of the time. Thats huge boost.
b) Blood rage was added. When its not as beastly like Impetus (because its only up 20% of the time) its still significant bonus for WAR outside abyssea.
c) Ukko's is usually 2-3 hit ws and number in content like ein where mobs dies in a sec can be screwed by overkilling the mob and not striking all hits (even more for vmiste)
d) Blood rage from war can support mnk, nin, drg.
e) Numbers you posted are pretty low. I was doing temenos western tower on my NIN and :hi was avg 1800 with spikes of 2800 with /dnc sub. Both Ukko's and Vmsite should be much higher (maybe they didnt gear up for outside abyssea and just used inside abyssea macros?). Perhaps you should ask those ppl if they forgot what's dDEX is?

Was all done at lvl 85. The Blade:Hi numbers are mine, and the only problem was trying to fuck with Innin (and I just gave up after a few minutes). Lvl 90 has been a pretty huge boost, and I agree that those numbers are not really fully fair to lvl 90s, but sadly it's the best thing I have to go by. Mnk got the biggest boost at 90 with Impetus, which is a -huge- ability for dmg output, and I'm not even about to deny it, but it still won't make VS anywhere near equivalent to Fudo. I'm also 100% sure we weren't always attack capped in said parses, though maybe were with berserk up...that being said, my nin seems to be abysmally low on attack anyway, so I'm not convinced I was even capped during berserk, but maybe was.
I only did the 1 Ein on nin with Kannagi, and felt it was just too weak to even consider bringing again, thought it's possible I got a lower than expected crit rate. I was definitely dDex capped, however, as was the mnk (Can't say with 100% certainty on the warrior, but I think he was).

I think you're looking at your numbers now, and not realizing just how much they've improved with 5 additional levels.

But fail, didnt you make the game single player by choosing to make a pl mule? Sure, efficiency and "man hours" and all that, but if you dont want to play solo, dont use your mule? Sure, the entire game revolves about spamming shit for seals and +2 items, but thats really no different than the last 6 years, you just dont need 18 people to do it.

Yea, I chose to make a mule, I enjoyed getting it caught up, geared, etc...it's not like I thought it'd suddenly change the game for me and make it feel like I was grinding for gear in a single player game, which I guess is what it comes down to - I've never enjoyed single player FF games because they felt like a huge grind to "pimp your character out" in a single player game where there was no reason at all. When I play(ed) WoW (and FFXI in the past), obtaining gear felt like there was some goal beyond it - to perform better in a multi-player game, to use these upgrades to be able to do harder, more challenging, etc content. FFXI has completely lost that feel to me, which has made me care very little about the game, at all. I feel like I'm gearing a mannequin, and the best thing I can do with my gear is go post it on BG...pretty sad and worthless in my opinion.

Do I miss group activities? Sure. I still think that Lamton and DI were fun fights, and I sadly missed PW due to RL . But there is still stuff we can do outside, if we choose. People would still love to fight PW, if even for the atma alone. We can still try AV non-zerg, etc.

Don't really want to get into LS drama here, and I'm sure a bunch of people would show up for PW once, nobody will do AV non-zerg, and people magically disappear any time we try to do Dynamis. While I'm in no way helping the phenomenon - people don't seem to want to do this shit - and really I can't blame them.

Personally, I dont expect any type of expansion in 3 months, since SE is focused on salvaging 14. I wouldnt expect anything until summer tbh. Even if they do decide to patch sometime in march, it will probably be 90-95 in order to make Heroes zones as easy as scars zones are now.

Perhaps true, I really have no idea what timeline SE has planned, but all the more reason to take it slow and not get too worked up over getting gear that really does nothing for me except look shiny.

[Cream Soda]

Should change the name of the thread to Relic Arguments. I'm surprised Isladar hasn't paid this thread a visit yet.

[Lovex]

Who cares? You both just made this entire thread a giant wall of text that nobody gives two fucks about.

You're the best outside of abyssea? good job, 75 content is hard.

HE SAID HES CANCELLING HIS ACCOUNT! Yay.

If only we could be as lucky as the people on phoenix that he would stop posting.

I mean why keep playing when the games obviously so boring because you're just SOOO amazing!
I mean, it's not like you can find something challenging to do. If only ixions drops were worth anything, you could solo!
That's prolly too easy for him too tho.

I'd imagine he's probably tired of soloing the game and being better than everyone else.

[Malacite]

Haters gonna hate. Chill out and just ignore the guy it bothers you that much but don't berate him Jesus Christ.


And actually Failure, they did leave a small window open for more Abyssea - Gilgamesh explicitly states that they found other maws across the world that were inactive. For all we know SE could spin some bullshit story twist about how they've been roused now that Promathia is dead & gone or whatever.

I for one, hope they don't though. Abyssea has been fun and easily the best thing that's happened to XI in ages, but isn't it also time to come down from the power trip of Atmas and Brews etc? The only thing that pisses me off though is all the time & effort spent collecting Atmas, Abyssites & other shit inside Abyssea only for the final end-game content to be done outside of it (most likely anyway).

I suspect that the 91+ content will be centered around WoE, unless they come up with more add-ons. I just hope they don't do anything batshit crazy like make the final trials for Relics/Mythics/Empyreans involve killing AV or PW. But then that's the sort of shit the old dev team would pull.

[Atomic Skull]

I just hope they don't do anything batshit crazy like make the final trials for Relics/Mythics/Empyreans involve killing AV or PW. But then that's the sort of shit the old dev team would pull.

I'm calling it now. Final Mythic upgrade will be 30x PW and final Relic upgrade will be 30x Diabolos in Dynamis-Tavnazia.

[MaachaQ]

I just hope they don't do anything batshit crazy like make the final trials for Relics/Mythics/Empyreans involve killing AV or PW. But then that's the sort of shit the old dev team would pull.

I suspect the 90-95 relic upgrade will be kill the animated weapon x times, and then from 95-99 it'll be DL or Diabolos or something, but who the hell knows anymore what SE will pull...

[Michelob]

I just hope they don't do anything batshit crazy like make the final trials for Relics/Mythics/Empyreans involve killing AV or PW. But then that's the sort of shit the old dev team would pull.

PW for Mythics final trials wouldn't surprise me in the least.

[Salmijr]

I would welcome pw for mythic trials, if only for more people to actually bother with it. I kinda expect it actually, being the "last" trial and all, and us being 24 levels over our initial bout.

[Odin'sLaw]

I would welcome pw for mythic trials, if only for more people to actually bother with it. I kinda expect it actually, being the "last" trial and all, and us being 24 levels over our initial bout.

can i haz title? :3

only reason for PW is to add to atma's (even though i don't think its actually worth it is it?)

[Salmijr]

its stronger than ultimate without the -mp ?

[Odin'sLaw]

its stronger than ultimate without the -mp ?

i'm mostly a melee man with blu been my only mage so all i remembered was the Zanshin major on it