Relic Augments

MaachaQ · 2011-02-10 03:41

Today's JP twitter feed says something about adjustments to Aegis and something else (the Magian shield?). Something about balance issues. Translation software doesn't do a very good job, so eagerly awaiting the EN translation to be posted on twitter later today or tomorrow.

「イージス」と「オハン」に関する

**Atomic Skull** · 2011-02-10 08:45

Originally Posted by MaachaQ

Today's JP twitter feed says something about adjustments to Aegis and something else (the Magian shield?). Something about balance issues. Translation software doesn't do a very good job, so eagerly awaiting the EN translation to be posted on twitter later today or tomorrow.

40% magic damage reduction is pretty damn worthless, almost as worthless as PLD *rimshot*

**mallister** · 2011-02-10 21:21

how unbelievably fucking gay of them to consider.

**Arthars** · 2011-02-10 21:51

i always believed ochain is broken in some way

but because of abyssea = godmode, it makes people feel that ochain is rightfully supposed to be omgsuper

im not surprised ochain got "nerfed" or "fixed" to work as it should be intended

who knows, maybe currently it is working as intended!

**mallister** · 2011-02-10 23:51

so ochain very likely getting 'balanced' to death but my ninja is nearly untouchable and my wife can afk tank on her mnk while she tri-boxes our brd and me for !!! procs.

be interested to hear the thought process from the devs on this one.

hope this isn't going to pan out but /pantiesinatwist for sure.

**Atomic Skull** · 2011-02-11 02:58

In the end it doesn't matter what they do with Ochain and Aegis because PLD is a dead job anyway. Even fucking thief is a better tank than PLD right now. They could remove PLD from the job list tomorrow and nobody would care or even notice.

**mallister** · 2011-02-11 03:09

i'd care, i like the job, it's been boned for ages now but so was ninja before abyssea.

**Arthars** · 2011-02-11 06:22

watch next mini expansion or expansion become paladin fantasy

the more u complain, the more likely the job will be the focus.

remember monk rants?

**Raen Ryong** · 2011-02-11 06:28

Difference being MNK has always been good but somehow relegated to Salvage onry back at 75. Paladin on the other hand has never been particularly good yet used for everything imaginable!

**Malacite** · 2011-02-11 13:00

Maybe if they'd just swap out the defense bonus traits for a 5% dmg reduction ...

**Draylo** · 2011-02-11 13:10

Originally Posted by Malacite

Maybe if they'd just swap out the defense bonus traits for a 5% dmg reduction ...

Er.. that was never the problem with PLD tanking.

**Obsidian** · 2011-02-11 13:36

Originally Posted by Arthars

i always believed ochain is broken in some way

but because of abyssea = godmode, it makes people feel that ochain is rightfully supposed to be omgsuper

im not surprised ochain got "nerfed" or "fixed" to work as it should be intended

who knows, maybe currently it is working as intended!

Because PLD is so overpowered.

At best Ochain lets PLD do things on its own because no one wants them. At worst it does nothing for the job and has no impact because no one uses them anyway.

I don't see how blocking 90% of the time is any more ridiculous than countering 80% of the time on MNK.

**Darkmagi** · 2011-02-11 13:39

Originally Posted by Malacite

Maybe if they'd just swap out the defense bonus traits for a 5% dmg reduction ...

The problem with PLD is the fact that it not only is terrible at building enmity, but also provides far less utility than any standard DD. PLD never excelled at reducing damage but this was never even a problem.

**Tribe** · 2011-02-11 13:42

Originally Posted by Malacite

Maybe if they'd just swap out the defense bonus traits for a 5% dmg reduction ...

How many times do I need to tell you to stop posting? 5 gems 6 lanterns... wow... I watched 18 lanters hit the ground this week from making legs. Shits hard.

Currently making kannagi, and as I come to a close im curious if my war with Maschu +2 is going to end up being stronger DD anyways? I feel it would be hard to keep up. but I think im just eyeballing nice weaponskills and DoT of Ninja is going to trump war? I also like being able to full DD in Ninja and not die. Just wondering thoughts if anyone else happens to have both , or for that matter people in shell with both and how they compare at events.

**TacoTaru** · 2011-02-11 14:05

Is there really anything they can do at this point to revitalize PLD; or make it good for the first time depending on you look at it?

**Obsidian** · 2011-02-11 14:19

Originally Posted by TacoTaru

Is there really anything they can do at this point to revitalize PLD; or make it good for the first time depending on you look at it?

Higher enmity cap than other jobs, better hate tools, better damage mitigation and better DD ability (otherwise there's no reason to bring it).

**Yugl** · 2011-02-11 14:31

The problem that I see is that it would be difficult to make PLD "good" without making it necessary or overpowering the class. It's the only class that has developed with purely defensive techniques, and for that reason, creating content that demands this level of defensive techniques would effectively shutout other classes. It's not the same as fixing DRG or PUP where the implication is to make it a better DD among other DD because you're essentially saying make it a better tank among other tanks. Tanks are tanks because they're heavy DD. Consequently, such a statement would demand that they make it a better DD among other DD. Conversely, if the term "tank" did not de facto mean "DD", and instead meant defense (Not literal defensive, just defensive skills), PLD is already at the top.

**Obsidian** · 2011-02-11 16:10

The best job at anything is always called the overpowered job. PLD's problem is that's it's completely outclassed at everything, and closing the huge gap between it and jobs like MNK and SAM would hardly break anything. Other jobs have better survivability (Ochain notwithstanding), better hate tools, and better damage output. The word "tank" has little meaning in this game, where the main goal is to avoid damage completely (shadows, counters, Third Eye, evasion), so for it to ever be competitive it needs a damage buff, and in order to fill the prototypical "tank" role it needs better hate tools and better damage mitigation. At this point in the game survivability is irrelevant so the only way to make it in any way relevant is to give it a DD buff.

It's really easy to make it not suck without breaking the game (ignoring that currently the game's already broken).

**Yugl** · 2011-02-11 20:17

SMN is the best class at pet burn, but is it also overpowered?

Saying something is easy then not giving a solution just makes your claim less credible. PLD DD+, it becomes overpowered because it has the DD potential of a melee and the survival of a PLD. If you employ a stance to restrict one of these, you basically make say to PLDs "Be a melee or be a gimp." If you make monsters that require PLDs, it will become one of those "necessary" classes I mentioned earlier (Oh noes! No PLD!).

**Malacite** · 2011-02-11 20:40

Well good news for PLDs, SE just put out a tweet saying they're gonna buff Aegis to balance it with Ochain (instead of nerfing Ochain, thank gawd)

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