Relic Augments

[NeoForte]

Wonder if Gungnir's Def Down will overwrite too

[Vodou]

Went back through my old Relic Proc data to find another stat:

Lv85 Apoc: 1702 Hits - 175 Additional Effect: Blindness (10.28%)
Lv90 Apoc: 1722 Hits - 146 Additional Effect: Blindness (8.48%)

Kinda funny that I got a lower rate on the Lv90 version, but it's probably due to low sample size. Proc rate seems about ~10%. The level variance on Abyssea Birds (Grier) was fairly low, but it did exist and should be accounted for.

Also important to note: http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/7851/addeffproc.png
This shows that Add Effect: Blindness from Apoc does overwrite~

I might be doing it wrong, but it looks like it's within the standard error. Potentially, measurement error from missed counts could be a factor as well. (Could have missed 3 in the first run and 8 in the second for example.) Depending on the methodology, errors could be random or systematic (one direction.)

I think 10% is a good call.

[Atomic Skull]

From FFXI official forum.

We are aware that there currently exists a major difference between the strength of Empyrean weapons and that of Relic and Mythic weapons.

In regards to that balance issue, we are planning to make adjustments. We plan to create a higher level of balance by strengthening both Relic and Mythic weapons instead of simply weakening Empyrean weapons.

Along with that, we are also planning to make adjustments to both the time and cost required to create and strengthen Relic and Mythic weapons. Eventually, we would like to even out the differences in the amount of time required to create and strengthen these weapons.

I hope that doesn't mean they want to make Relics and Mythics as easy to get as Empyreans.

[Byrthnoth]

I hope that doesn't mean they want to make Relics and Mythics as easy to get as Empyreans.

Sounds to me like Mythics and Relics are getting easier and Emps are going to be facing harder trials in the future (or equally hard trials, which are harder than current relic/mythic trials).

[NynJa]

Sounds to me like Mythics and Relics are getting easier and Emps are going to be facing harder trials in the future (or equally hard trials, which are harder than current relic/mythic trials).

I dont think it really matters right now since a lv85 empyrian is stronger than any lv90 relic/mythic.

[Kirschy]

I dont think it really matters right now since a lv85 empyrian is stronger than any lv90 relic/mythic.

For now, but linked post from the official forums said they are aware of the "major difference" and plan to balance it by strengthening Relic/Mythic. I have some concerns and excitements myself, might be worth starting another topic about it.

[NynJa]

I think it was Fievel, who said it best

They'll give an extra DMG+10 and call it a day

[Clash Perez]

Retool Mythic aftermaths (I liked Jimbob's idea), fix the shitty aftermaths on the relics, and grant aftermath after any WS rather than just the specific relic/mythic/Empyrean WS.

I think that'd do a pretty good job of evening things out, especially if another set of skill-based WS were released on the way to 99, with certain weapon types getting good weapon skills to compensate for the lack-luster WS options that are faced today.

[Ophannus]

I'd like to see them modernize most Relic WS and Relic WS aftermaths. Shock Spikes on Gungnir? Come on. How about the aftermath for Gungnir being that it gives you an additional effect: Damage proportionate to Wyvern's HP. It would be exactly like Excalibur's except it could be an 'enthunder' animation(but deal non ele damage like Excali's enlight) and would deal 1/4 of the wyvern's HP.

[Alkimi]

From what i understood Aegis is designed to be shield boosting def vs magic and Ochain vs melee. That's why Ochain has so high block rate. To fix this SE planning to boost Aegis even more vs magic. I wouldnt be surprise if they will add chance for blocking to magical dmg for aegis but more realistic will be 10% dmg from magic convert to mp or 25% chance to absorb magic dmg.

Seems that's the way it's going. Watched an Ochain PLD try and solo hold Tiamat yesterday. It was hitting him for between 20 and 40 dmg on the ground and thought he was gonna hold it forever but as soon as it took to the air it was pretty much game over, by the 2nd flight he was out of MP and going down.

[Niiro]

Seems that's the way it's going. Watched an Ochain PLD try and solo hold Tiamat yesterday. It was hitting him for between 20 and 40 dmg on the ground and thought he was gonna hold it forever but as soon as it took to the air it was pretty much game over, by the 2nd flight he was out of MP and going down.

That just sounds like the PLD being unprepared, with shell IV they can cap -MDT pretty easily aegis or no. Aegis would obviously make it easier and let you supplement other slots with useful stuff (mdb/refresh) but I can't imagine him hitting a lvl 90 that hard with just capped -MDT.

Out of curiosity what was the PLD subbing?

[Taint]

That just sounds like the PLD being unprepared, with shell IV they can cap -MDT pretty easily aegis or no. Aegis would obviously make it easier and let you supplement other slots with useful stuff (mdb/refresh) but I can't imagine him hitting a lvl 90 that hard with just capped -MDT.

Out of curiosity what was the PLD subbing?

^ this, PLDs were solo holding him at 75.

[Atoreis]

That just sounds like the PLD being unprepared, with shell IV they can cap -MDT pretty easily aegis or no. Aegis would obviously make it easier and let you supplement other slots with useful stuff (mdb/refresh) but I can't imagine him hitting a lvl 90 that hard with just capped -MDT.

Out of curiosity what was the PLD subbing?

Ochain PLD for solo holding Tiamat should sub /rdm and take fire res set not -mdt imo.

[Niiro]

Ochain PLD for solo holding Tiamat should sub /rdm and take fire res set not -mdt imo.

I was thinking that myself, I'd imagine the Meva gained by 15 levels would be a pretty huge boon to the point of not needing carols. But either way the MDB traits and a good MDT set should be enough as well.

[Atomic Skull]

Retool Mythic aftermaths (I liked Jimbob's idea), fix the shitty aftermaths on the relics, and grant aftermath after any WS rather than just the specific relic/mythic/Empyrean WS.

I think that'd do a pretty good job of evening things out, especially if another set of skill-based WS were released on the way to 99, with certain weapon types getting good weapon skills to compensate for the lack-luster WS options that are faced today.

Relics should have OAT aftermath.

[Nightfyre]

Speaking of which, I wonder if they'll review the offhand nerf for relics/mythics. I could understand aftermaths not working since everything else WS related doesn't work from offhand but I'd like to see additional effects proc if you offhand the weapon at least.

[jimbobsonofgod]

Speaking of which, I wonder if they'll review the offhand nerf for relics/mythics. I could understand aftermaths not working since everything else WS related doesn't work from offhand but I'd like to see additional effects proc if you offhand the weapon at least.

Well for relics I can understand not working in the off hand since you cant use relic ws in the main hand(unless you have that 1/13 WS weapon), but if i was doing almace /tizona and felt the need to get OAT would be nice to use expiacion and still getting aftermath without having to swap swords around.

That being said I am sure the logic is that if you had access to both from both weapons 1handers would have an unfair advantage over 2 handers.

Hate square logic I really do.

[Nightfyre]

I just want damage>MP to proc offhand Relic 2-3x damage/Excal enlight procs could also work, Vajra's SATA enhancement, etc

Would be really dumb if that was their logic

[Clash Perez]

Relics should have OAT aftermath.

Seems a lot more like the realm of Mythics, as they already have OAT as part of the generic 300TP aftermath. Relic aftermaths are the only really unique ones; it'd be a shame to make it generic along with the mythics/empyreans. That being said, many of them are unique to the point of uselessness, and could use reinvention.

[jimbobsonofgod]

Since they've introduced OAx Ranged weapons should really do OAT on mythic ranged instead of ODD.