Relic Augments

[Fottiti]

One badly timed tp move can kill you regardless of whether or not you have a WS that drains back hp. Sure stun is nice but then you're talking about non-apoc drk again and we all know how that discussion unfolds.

With all the job adjustments over the years we're at the point where a decently skilled/geared group of players can survive safely with Hasso DDs aslong as there is no tp move than can do a large amount of damage.

[Khalil]

I find this hard to believe. But even if you're right, that doesn't make WAR better in every situation.

Yes, absolutely a WAR is tough to beat in most situations (especially a Bravura-wielding WAR) but I'm still not entirely sure that against an Apocalypse DRK it'll be worth the extra loss in safety. Remember that you pretty much have to ride Hasso fulltime on both jobs to really fully flesh out your potential and a WAR is going to have null defense for a large majority of the time. Pre-Apoc when I played WAR I never felt safe on it, one badly timed Sharp Sting or Formation Attack in Dynamis-Tav and it's game over, that's definitely a department where DRK has a huge advantage (more defense, two forms of Stun and a WS that drains back 400-600 health every time you use it).

Merit-wise on G. Colibris, you can ride Hasso with a competent RDM. However, the same can be said about DRKs with Formation Attack or Sharp Sting, anyone of those can potentially one-shot. So, it really doesn't matter. How do you figure more defense than a WAR unless I'm missing something.

On merits so far, I have beaten two very well equipped Apoc DRKs when I had Swift belt and with full-time retaliation and hasso although it was by little more than 2%. Add 2% from Vbelt to a total of 24% vs 26% and it'll prolly still favor WAR unless the DRK has outside mages and he rides Souleater every time it's up...

[sruon]

Spell recast caps at 25% using Turban/V Belt/Dusk+1 Hands/Homam Legs/Homam Feet/Blitz ring + Catastrophe. (22% + Cata)

My delay tests coincide /w Catastrophe acting as gear haste (and capping at 256/1024 haste). Unless something's changed in the 1-2 yrs, it still works this way~

I know it counts as a gear haste nowadays but didn't it use to be an Hasso-like few years ago?

[Kirschy]

I know it counts as a gear haste nowadays but didn't it use to be an Hasso-like few years ago?

Not since I started messing with it and posting my haste tests. And I think I was the first English-speaking Relic Scythe? Hasso and DB didn't even exist back then~

[pchan]

not even souleater is enough to close the gap, relic gaxe wars are trucks.

Polearm (sam) trashes any relic with the correct buffs.

[Takedown3]

straight relic/rc war vs relic drk and it's clear, start adding in "situational" shit and the line starts to blur but will still favor war in just about everything

[Malacite]

I thought spell recast capped @ 50%?

[Acturus]

I thought spell recast capped @ 50%?

I believe the comment meant a "cap" for equipment-based Haste on the job class specifically.

[Arthars]

apoc drk VS bra warrior

is down to matter of play skill, WS timings etc

if its 2 EQUALLY SKILLED player, it will be really close, i would even say 50-50 in 100 fights but it will never happen. Someone will definitely be better than the other....so that doesnt mean his relic is better

Apoc DRK A vs Bra WAR B doesnt mean it will always yield the same result for Apoc DRK C and Bra WAR D

the gap is really small

i have an event friend that has got bravura for 2 or so years, with all the best gear you can ever think of, +1 dusk etc and i usually beat him on parse in merit, and zergs(obvious i win more in this department, but hell, his conquerer sometimes beat my sarameya zergs). i dont always outparse him in merits tho because of marginal shits like a god damn feather tickle. But i wouldnt say apoc is >>>>>> bravura, if he play my drk and i play his warrior, it may be different. Just an example.

[Taint]

Not since I started messing with it and posting my haste tests. And I think I was the first English-speaking Relic Scythe? Hasso and DB didn't even exist back then~

When did you finish? There weren't that many around when mine finished. But those were the days of DRK/DRG, well before Hasso and the 2hand update. I don't think they ever changed the haste calc on Cata, just the damage nerf and the haste cap. Both of which really hurt apoc. 93.3............or hell even 86 without BRD 2hring was just wicked everytime LR was up.

[BerenTebogo]

Odd, I don't remember a Dark Spore hitting me for more than 300dmg and it usually did double digits. Spore was usually my major annoyance, para proc'ing like mad from a goddamn EP (the most retarded was 4 para's in a row).

Spoiler: show

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fffff

Edit: As I demonstrated a few months back, aftermath doesn't work on breath damage. Thanks SE!

[Kirschy]

When did you finish? There weren't that many around when mine finished. But those were the days of DRK/DRG, well before Hasso and the 2hand update. I don't think they ever changed the haste calc on Cata, just the damage nerf and the haste cap. Both of which really hurt apoc. 93.3............or hell even 86 without BRD 2hring was just wicked everytime LR was up.

Aug '05, should be coming up on my 5th year of Relic~ It was so long ago there was no Relic thread on bg -_-. I remember when you got yours on KI. Yea, the game has gone through so many changes...

[Zirk]

Every time I've seen Apoc vs Amano in merits, Apoc loses by a huge margin.

[Aesctaa]

Haven't played for almost 2 years but... kinda surprised after all the theorycrafting that people put into this game, it seems as if no one ever considers the effect berserk has on your damage taken, its pretty severe/noticable if you ever merit on DRK with rabbit pie then jump to WAR or SAM with hasso/berserk and curry for example, my damage taken per hit almost doubled from what i remember, and fang rush/rushing drub doubled or tripled.

My Damage done on relic DRK was far above my non relic(but almost perfect)WAR, but the main reason i prefered DRK was so i wasn't taking 1k fang rushes or 250 regular hits from everything in merits.

[Appie]

Spoiler: show

http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/7...0426194401.jpg

fffff

Edit: As I demonstrated a few months back, aftermath doesn't work on breath damage. Thanks SE!

Ah Boyahda, I didn't play around there much after wiping on a 4 link when I started there and the fact they got a 15min repop is just bleh. I should have added: never seen damage over 300 in Grauberg, according to Wiki those in Boyahda are slightly higher in level (but just by 1-3 levels). Maybe I just resisted them more in Grauberg. They only got 1 TP move off in Grauberg before their HP was low enough to WS them dead. Grauberg K-5/L-5 is a very nice camp, no bones pop in that area and sometimes a Pixie comes by (handy if you lack Chakra). The only problem is NINs getting their Magian shit, but they need weather effect for this. The place supports 3 players doing augments: camp closest to Campaign tower (other MNK was whacking there when I was doing this), middle section which is loaded with bones at nighttime and the lower section (my camp).

[BerenTebogo]

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Finally done, had some good help along the way that really made it bearable. About 1000 or so WS solo with no PL though ftl. Trial 3 better be made of candy.

[Khelek]

Now, I'm expecting some kickass Raging Rush/King's Justice screens. get to it, chop chop! =p

[Taint]

Aug '05, should be coming up on my 5th year of Relic~ It was so long ago there was no Relic thread on bg -_-. I remember when you got yours on KI. Yea, the game has gone through so many changes...

Yeah Aug. 05 is way before mine! There weren't many relics at all back then,

[Ayn]

Grats Sath.

I'm 200 in on trial 1 and already wanting to kill myself. How long did it take you total?

[BerenTebogo]

Grats Sath.

I'm 200 in on trial 1 and already wanting to kill myself. How long did it take you total?

I stopped keeping track really. I finished T1 about 2 weeks ago or more ago and started T2 about 7 days ago. Some days I'd do 300-400 kills some days I'd do like 30.

Edit: Only thing I'm really looking forward to from this is maybe 3000+ KJ during zerg. Otherwise it's just being prepared for the june update. DMG+7 helps but it doesn't up my weapon rank so it's not gonna be wtfnoticeable.