Relic Augments

[Zirk]

Where did they say that?

[Atoreis]

I still don't understand why pure dmg in merit pt on colibri is the way to compare relic to oat weapon and saying oat is close and something need to be done with relics cuz they are now so little above oat. I want to write "who the fuck care" but i wont cuz seems that ppl realy care about parses on merit with relics weapons. Imo why relic shines (well for those which shines) is their unique abilities not stupid 20 more dmg on ws. Even if they would make a bow that would have 1 base dmg more then yoichi and someone would say this bow is better is idiot for me and idc i will be now annihilated by few ppl. Best example is Spharai, it was never so owng in term of dmg but ppl understood its boost to defensive skills. Some ppl now should understand that other relic weapons also have unique ability for which they should be made and dmg is just a little bonus. Idk if many ppl realize that 5 dmg on weapon is in example of guillotine 5*4*2,7 ~50 more dmg on capped cratio situation at max which usually is much less. 10% haste, very low hate ws, add effect: 25% hp, drain on ws, tripple dmg barrage, add effect weak def 17%, -20%dt, self light with 2 ws, best ws for job(MS), 2-3x hidden dmg, counter +10 and more is what make relics special and cool weapons not damn 3 more dmg. Now annihilate, blast and smash me for my ridiculous theory and bad grammar.

[BerenTebogo]

I still don't understand why pure dmg in merit pt on colibri is the way to compare relic to oat weapon and saying oat is close and something need to be done with relics cuz they are now so little above oat. I want to write "who the fuck care" but i wont cuz seems that ppl realy care about parses on merit with relics weapons. Imo why relic shines (well for those which shines) is their unique abilities not stupid 20 more dmg on ws. Even if they would make a bow that would have 1 base dmg more then yoichi and someone would say this bow is better is idiot for me and idc i will be now annihilated by few ppl. Best example is Spharai, it was never so owng in term of dmg but ppl understood its boost to defensive skills. Some ppl now should understand that other relic weapons also have unique ability for which they should be made and dmg is just a little bonus. Idk if many ppl realize that 5 dmg on weapon is in example of guillotine 5*4*2,7 ~50 more dmg on capped cratio situation at max which usually is much less. 10% haste, very low hate ws, add effect: 25% hp, drain on ws, tripple dmg barrage, add effect weak def 17%, -20%dt, self light with 2 ws, best ws for job(MS), 2-3x hidden dmg, counter +10 and more is what make relics special and cool weapons not damn 3 more dmg. Now annihilate, blast and smash me for my ridiculous theory and bad grammar.

There's so much wrong with this post that it actually would take more time for me to diagram it point by point than to just call you an idiot really.

I can't speak for other relics (well, I can actually, with 100% certainty but I won't) but if you use either Metatron Torment or Blade: Metsu for anything other than novelty factor or an occasional skillchain you should have your relic taken from you and given to someone without a subjob.

Seriously.

[Dontkare]

Where did they say that?

Oops, my bad I mis-read. It said that if you're on the trial it will be reduced

[BerenTebogo]

What's up productive use of 6 days in The Boyhada Tree.

[Dontkare]

Hey it was productive at the time right?

Just like SE to come in and shit on everyone's hard work though so, not too surprising.

[Atoreis]

I never said you should spam Mt lol. I just said (or im tried to said) that what makes bravura special was not 2 more base dmg but, ability to use MT, 2x hidden dmg and add effects on swing and ws. If someone upgreaded Bravura just for 20 more dmg on raging rush i feel sorry for that person. If someone thinks that pure dmg on merit pt is the way to compare overall useful of the wepon and crying that oat weapons are close and they are not considering all the unique ability that relics (not all of them ofc) give and also things like dmg/tpgiven ratio etc. that imo deserve to cry now that his relic not doing 50% more dmg then anything else.

EDIT: I know 2 very good NINs and both spams only metsu from what i know and they dont care jin can do more, but thats completly out of the point i wanted to say, its just respond to what you said.

[Kalasin]

I never said you should spam Mt lol. I just said (or im tried to said) that what makes bravura special was not 2 more base dmg but, ability to use MT, 2x hidden dmg and add effects on swing and ws. If someone upgreaded Bravura just for 20 more dmg on raging rush i feel sorry for that person. If someone thinks that pure dmg on merit pt is the way to compare overall useful of the wepon and crying that oat weapons are close and they are not considering all the unique ability that relics (not all of them ofc) give and also things like dmg/tpgiven ratio etc. that imo deserve to cry now that his relic not doing 50% more dmg then anything else.

EDIT: I know 2 very good NINs and both spams only metsu from what i know and they dont care jin can do more, but thats completly out of the point i wanted to say, its just respond to what you said.

huh

[Tsuko_Asura]

I never said you should spam Mt lol. I just said (or im tried to said) that what makes bravura special was not 2 more base dmg but, ability to use MT, 2x hidden dmg and add effects on swing and ws. If someone upgreaded Bravura just for 20 more dmg on raging rush i feel sorry for that person. If someone thinks that pure dmg on merit pt is the way to compare overall useful of the wepon and crying that oat weapons are close and they are not considering all the unique ability that relics (not all of them ofc) give and also things like dmg/tpgiven ratio etc. that imo deserve to cry now that his relic not doing 50% more dmg then anything else.

EDIT: I know 2 very good NINs and both spams only metsu from what i know and they dont care jin can do more, but thats completly out of the point i wanted to say, its just respond to what you said.

huh

[cdgreg]

The only reason I raise this point is because, as far as I can tell from the description, Coronach should only lower the amount of enmity gained from the following abilities. It should have no effect on the enmity gained prior to usage. This however, did not seem to be the case. Test test test!

I'll poke my 2 cents in here, which is actually different than I originally believed 20 minutes ago. I did a ton of reading on annihilator/coro before I started the relic. There's a really good thread on some old forum that has a few page debate on annihilator vs yochi and a few threads on BG if you search for them. From those various threads it led me to believe that the aftermath of coro is a massive -enmity where you can pretty much spam anything without pulling hate.

HOWEVER, this contradicts wiki claims that say -20 enmity on every action during aftermath. So, I asked my ls leader who has had annihilator for awhile and he confirmed it seems to be -20 enmity, not some hate invincibility where you can go batshit crazy of slug > barrage > slug and not expect to piss the mob off.

As for Wiki's claim of "Regardless of the damage, Coronach hate is only 80CE / 240 VE (Enmity- effect included)." I have no idea if that's exactly accurate or not.

[cdgreg]

double post, i suck

[Atoreis]

Idk why they use Metsu but i will say they like it and unless using jin is needed to win i dont see reason to not use it?

[Nightfyre]

ITT: People with a relic know what they're doing.

[Limlight]

It's a good thing I only got to 550 left to go on first trial........

fffff 801 here

HIIII RHEA ^-^ I hope that you're well!

[Vodou]

fffff 801 here

HIIII RHEA ^-^ I hope that you're well!

I thought about that (stopping half way on trial 1), but I'm not that patient. Will go to 750 on trial 2 and hope they drop it to 750. If they don't, I'll be that much closer to trial #3.

[Rhae]

If I`m on NIN in salvage I will spam Metsu to open light or darkness for every other melee (Amano SAM that can later Kaiten to double or Apocalypse DRK to Darkness/double darkness with another Metsu when isatsu feels like procing). That applies to tanking chariots- I find aftermath useful enough to spam Metsus, and again, help my fellow DD do skillchain (doesn`t mean I will wait with 200tp till they get sekkanoki up or anything like that). If I`m on Chariot and able to tank on the back I will alternate Jins with Metsus with Innin up since it makes up for sub-optimal acc.

If I`m in meripo on NIN (which rarely happens since I got DRG) I will spam Jins that despite optimal setup and equip have tendency to randomly miss a hit as every multihit WS. Kinda hard to bring 50 pizzas to meripo for capped acc.

If I`m soloing (and by that I don`t mean slave rdm with haste, paralyna and cures) I will spam metsu to kill these VT mobs with usually just 1 TP move from them, rarely 2 TP moves.

If I feel like melee tanking Sandworm or Faf I will use Metsu because Jin would miss a hit often and all dex that goes into Metsu secures hitting full ws (mainhand and offhand hit) that would happen less often with jin.

Metsu isn`t that bad if you put time in proper swaps, novelty usually goes in pair with no proper setups and in that case it will do shitty damage, as everything else.

[Konda]

If I`m on NIN in salvage

you lost me here.

[Caiti]

If I`m on NIN in salvage I will spam Metsu to open light or darkness for every other melee (Amano SAM that can later Kaiten to double or Apocalypse DRK to Darkness/double darkness with another Metsu when isatsu feels like procing). That applies to tanking chariots- I find aftermath useful enough to spam Metsus, and again, help my fellow DD do skillchain (doesn`t mean I will wait with 200tp till they get sekkanoki up or anything like that). If I`m on Chariot and able to tank on the back I will alternate Jins with Metsus with Innin up since it makes up for sub-optimal acc.

If I`m in meripo on NIN (which rarely happens since I got DRG) I will spam Jins that despite optimal setup and equip have tendency to randomly miss a hit as every multihit WS. Kinda hard to bring 50 pizzas to meripo for capped acc.

If I`m soloing (and by that I don`t mean slave rdm with haste, paralyna and cures) I will spam metsu to kill these VT mobs with usually just 1 TP move from them, rarely 2 TP moves.

If I feel like melee tanking Sandworm or Faf I will use Metsu because Jin would miss a hit often and all dex that goes into Metsu secures hitting full ws (mainhand and offhand hit) that would happen less often with jin.

Metsu isn`t that bad if you put time in proper swaps, novelty usually goes in pair with no proper setups and in that case it will do shitty damage, as everything else.

Can kill VTs with 1-2 TP moves max without any metsu easily and reliably as well. Jin can kill from higher mob HP as well giving you a larger safety buffer (depending on mob type / nm etc I would sometimes WS at start -> hold TP til 26% -> WS -> take the 1 TP move -> kill before it gets 100 TP again) rendering metsu pretty useless in that aspect too.

Hachiryu hands and shit didn't exist (although I used AF+1 which may arguably be better depending on the target? don't feel like mathing right now and my info back then was from lolparses) when I still had my char so I was lacking some of the more novel items but my metsu set was pretty much perfect for the era. I couldn't specifically offer examples with current gear really.

Like I said, it's good for skillchains and very few other places, I would often use metsu only on very very very long solo NM / HNM for safety. Things IT and lower I rarely ever touched it though.

Also this is Sath, my PC is gay'd and I'm too lazy to log her out.

[Aurara]

Sath ninja'd for my old salvage group and only used Metsu. True story.

[Caiti]

Sath ninja'd for my old salvage group and only used Metsu. True story.

Light skillchain > Qutrub.