Relic Augments

[Xanthe]

If Magians can track added-effect-proc and WS kills, it can probably also track shield blocks. I would expect that Aegis would have to shield block n times on a given mob family...so...just stack Shield skill+, go /DNC, aggro up three of 'em, engage a distant fourth target, and let the "fun" begin.

No need to even engage; shield can block while standing idle. You open yourself up to parrying before you have the chance to block if you're engaged.

[Cutriss]

No need to even engage; shield can block while standing idle. You open yourself up to parrying before you have the chance to block if you're engaged.

Ah, I wasn't sure if you needed to be engaged to use Chivalry or anything crazy like that.

[Limlight]

you know when they do put in aegis trials, it'll be 1500 something for 1 more base defense on the shield. lol

[Chen]

i imagine some emnity or PDT is most likely

/useless speculation off

[Yabby]

I seen Trial of the Magians in the update notes and got really happy!!! then i kept reading...

[Ayn]

Another thing to note: The really crappy part about killshots is that I can't even team up with other Apoc DRKs to just slaughter the hell out of lizards. I'm a little lucky in that I can dual box a RDM for hastes/cures. I'm at the point now where I think I'm just going to ask LS mates to come out and help me. It's mind numbing to do another 1500, then 2000 of these totally solo.

With an LS mate I can clear out about 60 or so an hour, depending on where I'm at. That's still 20+ hours just for the first trial. Maybe I should set a goal of <x-number> per week or something. Even then though, at the absolute least, I won't be done with these totally until sometime in August, ugh.

[Limlight]

on days that I set aside for this i set my goal in the 100-200 range and just go by my mood. Best I can do really (I have rdm plvl as well and a friend comes and helps.) so can get in the 60-80/hour range if i'm really bangin.

[Damane]

Another thing to note: The really crappy part about killshots is that I can't even team up with other Apoc DRKs to just slaughter the hell out of lizards. I'm a little lucky in that I can dual box a RDM for hastes/cures. I'm at the point now where I think I'm just going to ask LS mates to come out and help me. It's mind numbing to do another 1500, then 2000 of these totally solo.

With an LS mate I can clear out about 60 or so an hour, depending on where I'm at. That's still 20+ hours just for the first trial. Maybe I should set a goal of <x-number> per week or something. Even then though, at the absolute least, I won't be done with these totally until sometime in August, ugh.

on the last trials I allways did 100 killshots per day, took me 2.5 weeks to complete it, and 100 killshots per day are 2 hours of killing, thats far more managable. Just go with your pace^^

I tried the hardcore way, but killing all in like 2-3 days will make me go nuts. So now I am looking forward to 2 months of occasionally putting out 100 killshots a day.

[Teorem]

I think I'm a little more frustrated with the fact that SE even mentioned that some of the Magian trials were excessive and that they were going to lower the requirements needed. Yet, somehow it was decided that these trials were fair and not excessive, when they only involve kill-shotting 4-5 times more than the trials that actually were lowered and only involved "make it dead."

I would love to think that there's going to be some amazing, end-all-be-all relic weapon at the end of the Magian series that completely outclasses everything, including the 'occasionally attacks x' that's been introduced so far, but it's hard to come up with optimism as I run through Ro'Maeve and can't find an arcana in sight. Even the dolls are gone...

[NynJa]

This.

If i had to camp some retarded NM with a random pop pattern which ends up spawning once every 8 hours, then needing a drop from it with a maybe 5% drop rate, I wouldn't even bother. This is the best way to make relics better, believe it or not.

You mean Ridill? Vali's Bow? Any NM added in the Nov 09 drop rate? Hmm...


1500 is fucking excessive. I finished my ALL Severance trials faster than I finished one mandau trial.

[Atoreis]

Idk imo ppl should stop complaining seriously.
They didnt obsolate your precious things and made them more powerfull then ever and you guys complaining abut some 1 week of killing mobs. Seriously some ppl got their Relics to easy I think. If I would have relic I could make 10000 killshots and I wouldnt even say one bad thing about this.

Now you can spam hates on me.

[chazzyphizzle]

lol

[Mayura]

Idk imo ppl should stop complaining seriously.
They didnt obsolate your precious things and made them more powerfull then ever and you guys complaining abut some 1 week of killing mobs. Seriously some ppl got their Relics to easy I think. If I would have relic I could make 10000 killshots and I wouldnt even say one bad thing about this.

Now you can spam hates on me.

Ok.

[AoshiZ]

Idk imo ppl should stop complaining seriously.
They didnt obsolate your precious things and made them more powerfull then ever and you guys complaining abut some 1 week of killing mobs. Seriously some ppl got their Relics to easy I think. If I would have relic I could make 10000 killshots and I wouldnt even say one bad thing about this.

Now you can spam hates on me.

This is why you don't have a relic. You don't care about 10000 killshots because you didn't spend the time and effort to get the relic. Its like telling someone that has run a marathon "I could run another mile and I wouldn't even say one bad thing" when you never ran the marathon to begin with.

Now if you were the type of person that endures any challenge like the way you are trying to state... You'd have a relic now wouldn't you?... yet you don't have a relic so I'd assume you are what i stated in the previous sentence.

[Kalasin]

You mean Ridill? Vali's Bow? Any NM added in the Nov 09 drop rate? Hmm...


1500 is fucking excessive. I finished my ALL Severance trials faster than I finished one mandau trial.

Trying too hard. Comparing camping Fafnir and getting a Ridill to drop with what I said? Really? No.

And on a side note, if you finished your Severance faster than one Mandau trial, then you're doing it completely wrong.
When I'm semi afk I still get 60 kills in per hour, you just have to pick the right mobs to fight. I'll dumb it down for you: High HP = bad, Low HP = good.

If you can't kill your target from 40-50% with one WS, find a new mob and stop complaining. If there aren't any mobs with lower HP for your trial, just live with it and don't try to do all of it at once.


Edit: And to the 10k kills comment.. the trials are indeed very annoying, but nothing one can complain about seeing as it could be, as I said before, a random NM with a retarded drop rate to upgrade as well.

[Atoreis]

This is why you don't have a relic. You don't care about 10000 killshots because you didn't spend the time and effort to get the relic. Its like telling someone that has run a marathon "I could run another mile and I wouldn't even say one bad thing" when you never ran the marathon to begin with.

Now if you were the type of person that endures any challenge like the way you are trying to state... You'd have a relic now wouldn't you?... yet you don't have a relic so I'd assume you are what i stated in the previous sentence.

Not really. I just like to play many jobs, do many events and I still have RL to not be able to be full time member of the no-life LS that could make me relic.
I also missed the time of infalcion so i dont have super money from that. Also im pretty sure I did much more dynamis, killed much more EP solo did more challanging stuff ( like capping guard solo not using chigoe or other tricks ) then many relic holders. If someone realy worked hard for his relic he shouldnt mind doing "1 more mile" to make it much better and still on top after update. Or maybe it just me liking to annihilate EPs.

[AoshiZ]

Trying too hard. Comparing camping Fafnir and getting a Ridill to drop with what I said? Really? No.

And on a side note, if you finished your Severance faster than one Mandau trial, then you're doing it completely wrong.
When I'm semi afk I still get 60 kills in per hour, you just have to pick the right mobs to fight. I'll dumb it down for you: High HP = bad, Low HP = good.

If you can't kill your target from 40-50% with one WS, find a new mob and stop complaining. If there aren't any mobs with lower HP for your trial, just live with it and don't try to do all of it at once.


Edit: And to the 10k kills comment.. the trials are indeed very annoying, but nothing one can complain about seeing as it could be, as I said before, a random NM with a retarded drop rate to upgrade as well.

Just FYI, I believe Nynja finished his mandau trial within several days. I remember this specifically because i struggled finishing my trials while he just zipped through his. His comment on excessiveness most likely comes from the fact that 1500 WS + 1500 killshots +1500 killshots + 2000 killshots is freakin excessive. It makes the game NOT FUN.

[AoshiZ]

Not really. I just like to play many jobs, do many events and I still have RL to not be able to be full time member of the no-life LS that could make me relic.
I also missed the time of infalcion so i dont have super money from that. Also im pretty sure I did much more dynamis, killed much more EP solo did more challanging stuff ( like capping guard solo not using chigoe or other tricks ) then many relic holders. If someone realy worked hard for his relic he shouldnt mind doing "1 more mile" to make it much better and still on top after update. Or maybe it just me liking to annihilate EPs.

My point was... You haven't been there so you shouldn't really talk for people in the situation. Your statements are full of nothing but assumptions that you have some level of accomplishment greater than that of a relic holder. But the bottom line is that your hardships is nothing more than just that "Your hardships". It is always easy to criticise others isn't it?

Now if someone with a relic says "I'd do 10000 more and not say anything bad" then I wouldn't have a problem with it.

[Kalasin]

Back to my point, if it gets too annoying, just take a break from it or set a daily goal like 50 or 100 a day. Makes it much better.

[Atoreis]

My point was... You haven't been there so you shouldn't really talk for people in the situation. Your statements are full of nothing but assumptions that you have some level of accomplishment greater than that of a relic holder. But the bottom line is that your hardships is nothing more than just that "Your hardships". It is always easy to criticise others isn't it?

Now if someone with a relic says "I'd do 10000 more and not say anything bad" then I wouldn't have a problem with it.

I understand your point of view but still even you compered those trials to 1 mile and getting a relic to marathon so if those trials improving your weapon base DMG by like 16% (Apocalypse) so since its like a lot better ratio of effect/time as a marathon runner you should be able to swallow it easily w/o complaining.