Relic Augments

[BerenTebogo]

well i'd start on my lunch break. kills flow with 3 accounts, mnk/nin, rdm/whm, and drk/sam. 60ish/hour i'd "hope" to get 100 done by the end of the day off/on.

Yes, well, that would be a slight advantage.

[Atomic Skull]

In complete and total seriousness:

If relics could be converted to gil, or back to their base currency, the only relics left in FFXI at a rate similar to what they are currently would be shield and horn. I'd say a 70% conversion back to currency or gil rate would be completely reasonable.

I don't think you will find a single Mandau THF who was disappointed with it.

I know I wasn't, it exceeded my expectations.

[BerenTebogo]

I don't think you will find a single Mandau THF who was disappointed with it.

I know I wasn't, it exceeded my expectations.

Only comparing effort v. reward of upgrading via magian as relic vs. upgrading an entirely comparable weapon and having 150m gil on hand with a weapon of extremely comparable versatility.

[machiko]

I know Atoreis is probably trolling but w/e

If I would have relic I could make 10000 killshots and I wouldnt even say one bad thing about this.

You don't seem to get it, we have to get 150-200mill worth of currency and all the effort involved in getting it from people & wait nearly a year for the base relic & then do these 4 trials(1500WS+1500 killshots+1500 killshots+2000 killshots so far). Not everyone gets a relic handed to them, a lot are actually self funded which is an insane amount of work making gil and even if not why are we being treated to such shitty numbers when the general playerbase don't.

Not really. I just like to play many jobs, do many events and I still have RL to not be able to be full time member of the no-life LS that could make me relic.
I also missed the time of infalcion so i dont have super money from that. Also im pretty sure I did much more dynamis, killed much more EP solo did more challanging stuff ( like capping guard solo not using chigoe or other tricks ) then many relic holders. If someone realy worked hard for his relic he shouldnt mind doing "1 more mile" to make it much better and still on top after update. Or maybe it just me liking to annihilate EPs.

Oh I get it your jealous, most relic ownders do all other events too and have jobs(well they do now after completing relic^^) a lot of them don't get relics handed out to them by their LS either so shove that up your ass. I worked damn fucking seriously hard for my base relic which took over a year, harder than you worked for anything you ever did in this game and now I have to do 1500 WS and 5k killshots(fucking killshots are the worst aspect of this whole shit). AND then I get to look forward to yet more obscene numbers next update and every update after till 99 while they are adding upgrades to other magian weapons which come pretty fucking close to relic, only reason they get it easier is because they know they would not do them if they were as excessive as what we have to do. Thing is we spent so much time and effort on these we HAVE to fucking do them even though we hate the shit out of it. To some it's actually preferable to quit the damn game than not have your relic at it's peak potential.

If someone realy worked hard for his relic he shouldnt mind doing "1 more mile" to make it much better and still on top after update.

The problem is the work now has a tint of retardation to it. I got my relic the hard way so it's not that I mind hard grinding but they are asking us to do something that a)only keeps us inline with the free magian weapons, thus forcing us to do it. b)they are doing this when the game is near it's demise. FFXI is on it's last legs, they are lifting every single last hurdle the game had due to not giving a shit anymore and they are asking us to put in massive amounts of crappy unimaginative inane work on a near dead game.

Really the more I think about it the more I come to the conclusion that it's not even the numbers that piss me off the most its the fucking horrible killshot shit. That is the most annoying horrible stupid idea ever.

[Malacite]

Long fucking rant.

#1) I'm not a relic owner

#2) I agree with you completely. Did it not enter SE's little minds that the work to upgrade a relic/mythic is grossly disproportionate to the effort to upgrade an Empyrean? (thus far)


Of course not, because they also gave us the bullcrap that is the mythic quest line.

I'm attempting Masamune and I'm liking my chances so far, but I"m dreading what will come next update.

[Appie]

I sent my e-mail bitching to SE, don't think it would help... was hoping they would of changed the kills with todays update but this is SE we are talking about.

Where do I find this again to send an email in POL? Sorry, trials make me braindead

As for Atoreis capping guard on a fuckload of mobs (Yagudo's? Seriosuly?!) and whatnot as /dnc. Doesn't mean you're cool, just means you're doing it wrong. Mandies been in this game long before /dnc and are far more effective. It took me a month to cap guard, mainly thanks to a dualboxed mage, but this was pre-dnc, which makes the skilling a whole lot easier (not like I used my TP after all). My relic took about 3months while already sitting on a nice junk of gil before that time and then kraken bc was nice enough to grand me a drop, add 3 months if it didn't drop. Skilling guard does not compare to the annoyance of getting that fuckload of currency from people/rolan. Hell I spent a good chunk of those 3 months in Rolan, daily checking multiple times per day to pick up some good deal on coins.

Not going to bother to adress the rest of his stuff, others did it for me =)

[NynJa]

Im just saying beside they are stupid boring crap they are also very easy to make and I cant understand ppl who complaining they cant do it becouse its too boring or like NynJa they realy cry about they are hard to manage. I saw ppl with stage 2 done few days after magian was released so its deffinietly easy doable. So if you want something more challanging and creative i understand. If you cry you cant handle it cuz its to much killshots thats pretty weak

Who the fuck said I'm crying because they're hard to manage? I said I cakewalked through my tier 1 and 2 on both my relics, and it was still a retarded absurd timesink. I said my third tier for Mandau is a fucking pain in the ass, between the fact EVERY mob is either:
1-in a dungeon with limited pops
2-does aoe sleep
3-inflicts amnesia
4-surrounded by aggro
5-epic garbage to fight

[Atoreis]

I don't think you will find a single Mandau THF who was disappointed with it.

I know I wasn't, it exceeded my expectations.

Tbh that was the reacion I expected from relics user when i saw upg relics in dats.. I was so wrong >.>

Edit:

Idk why ppl saying OATs are easy to get for now its looks like you need 30 items from NMs in abbysea that you dont even know which one drop and you have limited time in there and need ally. Very fucking maneable for person w/o good static group that will go there avery fucking 20h.
Idk how stupid AoE scythe can come close to Apoc. Pure dmg is just one of the many aspect how you can compare weapons. If that Oat gives you drain Ws and 10% haste aftermath? wtf seriously. More suprising is that most ppl crying about this are ppl with jobs that can easily kill EP like THFs SAMs DRKs. Even more suprising some ppl crrying that they can have PL on follow cuz of AoE that so weak. Another person claiming that did guard with PL compere this to /dnc and calling me doing it wrong and I bet he didnt even try (3 mnk yagudo with Brd marching them gives best results possible I can bet with you ). Also If you Appie could make 40mil in 3 months thats realy hard to make relic seriously.... If someone make relic just for base dmg and crying now all I can make is give that ppl tissue otherwise most relics and mythics still have unique abilities that stupid OAT weapon wont ever get and idk how some ppl missing it so badly.

[NynJa]

Tbh that was the reacion I expected from relics user when i saw upg relics in dats.. I was so wrong >.>

Oh yeah baby
1500 MS uses: DMG+1 (10 hrs)
1500 MS killshots: DMG+2 (28 hrs)
1500 MS killshots: DMG+3 (28 hrs)
2000 MS killshots: DMG+4 Atk+5 (37 hrs)

Tiers 2-4 are based on goal * 1.1 (5% miss rate, 5% chance WS wont finish it) / 60 (1 kill per minute, which is VERY generous). So a combined 103 hours of straight work to get an 'epic' DMG+4 Atk+5 on my Mandau. FUCK YEAH!

[Karbuncle]

Mandau got fucked on these trials :\ if they can give h2h what, DMG:+6? they could give Mandau the same =(

[Atoreis]

Oh yeah baby
1500 MS uses: DMG+1 (10 hrs)
1500 MS killshots: DMG+2 (28 hrs)
1500 MS killshots: DMG+3 (28 hrs)
2000 MS killshots: DMG+4 Atk+5 (37 hrs)

Tiers 2-4 are based on goal * 1.1 (5% miss rate, 5% chance WS wont finish it) / 60 (1 kill per minute, which is VERY generous). So a combined 103 hours of straight work to get an 'epic' DMG+4 Atk+5 on my Mandau. FUCK YEAH!

So what? You still have Mercy Stroke on this dagger and i dont see any trial dagger has it? 3h a day and you are done in month and you have a lot bs and ks and merits (with possibility of getting a lot of gils out of it )

If you realy think your situation is that bad on your so hard to solo job (with PL that will get slept) think of WHM who need to Killshot with Mystic boon. Those WHMs can complain but seriously THFs, SAMs, WARs, DRKs, MNKs? Damn that was my last post in this topic ( you can celebrate ). I dont want to be taken as troll and at this rate I will be out of tissues in a blink of eye.

[Appie]

Even more suprising some ppl crrying that they can have PL on follow cuz of AoE that so weak.

Some AOE's aren't actually weak or at least some tp moves. Funguars ate SathFenrir up, tigers got a 300 dmg tp move on my stance'd monk, nothing my chakra can't manage, but not every melee comes with a built in cure+regen.

Another person claiming that did guard with PL compere this to /dnc and calling me doing it wrong and I bet he didnt even try (3 mnk yagudo with Brd marching them gives best results possible I can bet with you ). Also If you Appie could make 40mil in 3 months thats realy hard to make relic seriously.... If someone make relic just for base dmg and crying now all I can make is give that ppl tissue otherwise most relics and mythics still have unique abilities that stupid OAT weapon wont ever get and idk how some ppl missing it so badly.

Unless wotg added some nice camp with yagudos mnks + yagudos brds galore for different levels of guard skilling, yes you're doing it wrong, mandies are far easier to find at different lvl ranges and instead of 3 yagudo's you can link 4, same speed as your 3 mnks on march.

And again we aren't bitching about the stats we'll get (well except mandau obviously and rightfully so), we are bitching about the effort involved, it simply is not comparable, we already dug deep for the base relic, no need to have does 3 times as much work as other magians. Twice? ok. Or simply no killshot bullshit, use WS in last 25% of mob HP would have helped alot too.

I had the relic since 2008 I got to enjoy it for 2 years for what it was, but I wouldn't want to be in the shoes of anybody doing this right now for their almost finished/just finished relic.

[Blasta]

Well i very much disagree having the whole trial thing. I mean when you fund a relic and you finish, you get your reward, period. Instead of adding even a simple NPC/CS conversation or a miniquest to upgrade your masterpiece, no, you have to do something so ridiculous as WS Killshotting EP mobs.

I don't know what you all did for your relics, but i sure had a rl job / school and i would come home and rdm solo every single day. I certainly don't have energy to do something so mind numbing like the upgrade quest is. Maybe people who had advantage of inflation or other ridiculous means of upgrading, have energy to upgrade it further.

So i quitted before the update even came, not only because i was getting bored, but i also knew how shitty the future update(s) would be. Oh and the day i learned what you have to do to upgrade relics, i sure had a laugh and told myself... i just knew this would happen, its SE.

[Scorp]

There isn't going to be as much potential gil in Kindred Seals following this patch. Even the mat's are crashing further.

I'm used to SE making things which seem this daunting, I even partially expect it most of the time, what annoys me is the lack of imagination. 1 stage of kill shots is fine, 3 stages so far and the chance of 4 more is lazy. I'm sure with some imagination, or just ideas already posted here they could come up with 10 different trials that actually test different things.

(Please god don't let them do a weather only kill shot trial).

Also for Mandau #2 Chigoes are a good bet for vermin. Pull a marid pop chigoes and one shot them when tp is up.

[seiji]

yes but some mobs are fucking annoying to kill.

Hippos, wamouras(flying one are only lvl 77-79), Peiste with their stupid petra move etc.

you can team up with other people doing same target trials for non relic/mythic

In complete and total seriousness:

If relics could be converted to gil, or back to their base currency, the only relics left in FFXI at a rate similar to what they are currently would be shield and horn. I'd say a 70% conversion back to currency or gil rate would be completely reasonable.

maybe yoichis for sam

[Jem]

So what? You still have Mercy Stroke on this dagger and i dont see any trial dagger has it? 3h a day and you are done in month and you have a lot bs and ks and merits (with possibility of getting a lot of gils out of it )

If you realy think your situation is that bad on your so hard to solo job (with PL that will get slept) think of WHM who need to Killshot with Mystic boon. Those WHMs can complain but seriously THFs, SAMs, WARs, DRKs, MNKs? Damn that was my last post in this topic ( you can celebrate ). I dont want to be taken as troll and at this rate I will be out of tissues in a blink of eye.

3-4 hours a day and done in a month? That doesn't seem like a lot to you? I get up for work at 6am. By the time I get home it's 5-6pm. At the bare minimum I also need to eat, shower and sort out my stuff for work the next day.

So basically what you are saying is that if I work > relic trial > sleep > rinse and repeat for a month then I'll be done. That's not factoring in any LS events I may have (normally 4-5 per week but 2 are only Ein) or that I may want to do new content or level my other jobs. Oh and of course maybe do something with friends and family out of game. Fortunately my GF does play FF but I don't think she'd be too thrilled at spending a month either doing the relic trial or nothing at all with me.

Oh and not to mention 60 killshots an hour is incredibly generous. Solo, you're lucky to do 30+ an hour. If you have a Haste/March bitch then yeah you might do 60 if you have an endless stream of mobs but fact is that you normally don't due to competition/repops. Then there's the very real fear that you manage to do all this, in lets say 2 months, and then get to look forward to potentially doing something very similar again in another 1-2 months.

1500 kills/WS'es would have still been a huge chore but at least more reasonable as it eliminates the WS misses or not quite killing them meaning a wasted mob. And it also allows you to team up so competition isn't as big a problem.



I love the fact that they're at least keeping our relics at the top end of the game. I just think they are making us jump through incredibly unrealistic hoops in order to keep them that way. I agree that some relics have it a lot harder than others but that doesn't make the easier relics trials any more unreasonable.

[machiko]

I like how the main person telling us it's not so bad is someone that doesnt have the determination to even get the base relic he obviously wants.

Also another stupid factor of this upgrade is that the final weapon is level 80, once the stupid wears off the best camps will still be collibri and mamool, both of which are 75 camps. Chances are you lose whichever upgrade gives you level 80 tag.

[dejet]

People can complain all they want about having to upgrade their Relics; the main thing is you can upgrade them. And tho it might seem like a lot of work, it is hardly more work then you have put in up to this point for it.

You could of spent years working on a relic as most did, few got them over the course of a few months(maybe a few LS funded ones did) Overall a months worth of EP mobs is hardly something to go nuts over. Yes it sucks that its over and over the same thing; its still not a gil sink + years worth time sink.

Overall SE did an *ok* job getting relics up to par(and better) It will be the raw end of the deal for any new relics that are made, as you have an extra few weeks to tack on now to make your relics king.

edit: do not take my words as being kind to SE. Its still overkill and I think the number should be cut in 1/2 if not by 3/4 what it is now for all of the quests.

I cant tank for the relic quests as killing the same mob over and over does not sound fun; I can talk for the dagger quest I am now on 3rd quest and its been fun thus far seeing odd NMs that I have not seen in years(if at all)

edit 2:

I like how the main person telling us it's not so bad is someone that doesnt have the determination to even get the base relic he obviously wants.

Also another stupid factor of this upgrade is that the final weapon is level 80, once the stupid wears off the best camps will still be collibri and mamool, both of which are 75 camps. Chances are you lose whichever upgrade gives you level 80 tag.

you still need merits as a relic holder? for the most a part outside of bard merits(b/c its my most recent job) I am done. And have been done for years on merits. Also the old(new) camps have been a lot of fun for me 20k/hr and subbing whm on bard is making meriting somewhat fun; I wont miss bird camps at all as a bard who has pulled them far to many times.

[Nightmarelord]

I like how the main person telling us it's not so bad is someone that doesnt have the determination to even get the base relic he obviously wants.

Also another stupid factor of this upgrade is that the final weapon is level 80, once the stupid wears off the best camps will still be collibri and mamool, both of which are 75 camps. Chances are you lose whichever upgrade gives you level 80 tag.

i was just thinking that. Sync'd relic has always been lulz. do you think they'll fix that? i dont.

[dejet]

its worth asking for help from your LS to speed things along, I really do wish they made them social events for relic holders(as they did with the others teaming up to kill NMs; iv done a few times thus far and will only need more help as I do the second stage NMs VNM mostly)