Relic Augments

[newzarb]

Tell me some good way to record it and we are set.
I killed 2000 yagudo in 5 days skilling guard and i was solo /dnc and 50% of them i was holding (like brd + mnks) and some was ninja that paralyzed+blinded me and brds that elegy'ed me and i wasnt crying at no skill ups for 2 h sometimes.
All that for not realy useful skill. If I could get a relic for 10000 kill shots i would have a full set of them for all my 75 lol.
As for my gammar I will definietly try to work on it more sorry.

There's a difference between:
- killing 2000 yags in a zone noone cares about
- running around a zone to try to find a mob that's not yet killed by another guy who is either doing same quest or just upgrading a basic trial weapon. When you found your mob, you need to build TP (as a SAM I can't complain about that at least) then hope you won't either:
- miss your WS
- deal a x3 dmg hit that will kill your mob

Do that 1500 times (more with missed WS and random kills), then again 2000 times and come back to give us your feeling about that.

[Yabby]

Where do I find this again to send an email in POL? Sorry, trials make me braindead

www.playonline.com > Service and Support > Contact > Suggestions and Feedback


I'm sure if enough people support this like they did the blackbelt thing SE might do something.

[Zeb]

i was just thinking that. Sync'd relic has always been lulz. do you think they'll fix that? i dont.

I was thinking about this too. I was wondering why didn't SE just make relics/mythics like CoP rings with varying stats. They could have left all of them level 75 and tweaked all the damage, attack and accuracy. As for the other benefits like Spharai's Counter effect 2, I don't see why they could just add them anyways, 5 levels early for those doesn't seem game breaking.

[NynJa]

My yoich is pretty happy, DMG+15 racc+5 ratk+5, 1500 lizards, 2000 aquans. I might do that first

[Kirschy]

Tbh that was the reacion I expected from relics user when i saw upg relics in dats.. I was so wrong >.>

Edit:

Idk why ppl saying OATs are easy to get for now its looks like you need 30 items from NMs in abbysea that you dont even know which one drop and you have limited time in there and need ally. Very fucking maneable for person w/o good static group that will go there avery fucking 20h.
Idk how stupid AoE scythe can come close to Apoc. Pure dmg is just one of the many aspect how you can compare weapons. If that Oat gives you drain Ws and 10% haste aftermath? wtf seriously. More suprising is that most ppl crying about this are ppl with jobs that can easily kill EP like THFs SAMs DRKs. Even more suprising some ppl crrying that they can have PL on follow cuz of AoE that so weak. Another person claiming that did guard with PL compere this to /dnc and calling me doing it wrong and I bet he didnt even try (3 mnk yagudo with Brd marching them gives best results possible I can bet with you ). Also If you Appie could make 40mil in 3 months thats realy hard to make relic seriously.... If someone make relic just for base dmg and crying now all I can make is give that ppl tissue otherwise most relics and mythics still have unique abilities that stupid OAT weapon wont ever get and idk how some ppl missing it so badly.

Again, no one here is crying, you're just missing the point and myself and a few others are trying to correct you. We're not unable to do the relic trial. No one here is having trouble getting a killshot with our relic WS. It's a frustrating trial, but any of us who are determined are completing them. We're upset that it's such a discrepancy between effort/reward that other top-tier weapons aren't subjected to. We're upset about the TREND of these relic trials to be increasing. Magian trials have put an upkeep on relic/mythic weapons that continually require hours and hours of time to keep them from being outclassed by other weapons.

Years after completing my Relic Scythe, I invested a large amount of time/money into getting a Mythic Scythe which I completed over a year ago. Because of RL obligations and engaging in daily activities with my LS, I'm unable to complete those trials. Because of this, the most recent update released Magian Scythes that now outclass my Mythic Weapon. Do you feel it's fair that I invested an inordinate amount of time to collect two rare weapons over a period of almost 7 years that I've been playing, and only able to maintain one of them? In 3 months from now they're going to release another update and probably 2 more relic trials that will require even more time. At that point I'll have to invest over 200 hrs just to stay competitive with Mythic Scythe. And trust me, the unique ability of +3 stat to absorbs is STILL completely useless.

The upkeep for relics/mythics is disproportionate to the upkeep needed by top-tier magian weapons. Make top-tier magian weapons require 2,000 WS killshots, and I'll stop complaining.

[Mythe_Seraph]

I don't think you will find a single Mandau THF who was disappointed with it.

I know I wasn't, it exceeded my expectations.

After having Mandau for 3 years, I got incredibly tired of it and wanted a different relic weapon. Truth be told.

[Jesifromgaruda]

I honestly felt bad for the relic owners since the first update that came out that let you upgrade them.

I always felt since the start that the relics should have been automatically upgraded instead of having to do a quest for it.

I really can't believe that right now anyone would be insane enough to finish up a relic.

"Yay! I just worked for a long ass time and I'm finally done with my relic! What's this? Oh, it seems I have to put in another 100 hours+ just to make this weapon I got be on par with other weapons......yay"

With every update it's just going to get worse. It's really ridiculous how SE took a crap all over relic/mythic owners.

[Kirschy]

I honestly felt bad for the relic owners since the first update that came out that let you upgrade them.

I always felt since the start that the relics should have been automatically upgraded instead of having to do a quest for it.

I really can't believe that right now anyone would be insane enough to finish up a relic.

"Yay! I just worked for a long ass time and I'm finally done with my relic! What's this? Oh, it seems I have to put in another 100 hours+ just to make this weapon I got be on par with other weapons......yay"

With every update it's just going to get worse. It's really ridiculous how SE took a crap all over relic/mythic owners.

I love the idea of relic trials. I just feel they need to be scaled back a bit for future upgrades, or make top-tier magian trials more time consuming~

[Nightmarelord]

its not that bad. they took a crap on ppl who already had "relic sickness"
most people who have relics have took a huge playtime cut or have quit all together (as sath mentioned)

i feel bad for ppl who have all the currency and are considering turn it in, or already have a stage 3~4 weapon at the npc or already in inventory.

more motivation to quit i suppose;.

[Blasta]

Remember guys the whining about A Moogle Kupo d'Etat mission where you had to farm 3 items (1% droprate) from low level places? I never would've thought that in the years of 2009~2010, it would be even humanly possible to create so dreadful quest ideas. So why am i saying this? Because the next trial will be even more ridiculous.

Oh but seriously, while SE is really at fault, we should've seen this one coming. I mean look at Claustrum 8 years later.

Edit: Actually better example is Murgleis, because that was actually created more recently than Claustrum. That glorious Macc+10 and pissy convert augment, a true star in every RDMs inventory...

[Nightmarelord]

Remember guys the whining about A Moogle Kupo d'Etat mission where you had to farm 3 items (1% droprate) from low level places? I never would've thought that in the years of 2009~2010, it would be even humanly possible to create so dreadful quest ideas. So why am i saying this? Because the next trial will be even more ridiculous.

Oh but seriously, while SE is really at fault, we should've seen this one coming. I mean look at Claustrum 8 years later.

i hate to be the one to say it but oh god @ how valid your point is.

Classic SE. they only know two words. TIME SINK (gotta keep them niggas playin so i can bill them!)

[Vodou]

Again, no one here is crying, you're just missing the point and myself and a few others are trying to correct you. We're not unable to do the relic trial. No one here is having trouble getting a killshot with our relic WS. It's a frustrating trial, but any of us who are determined are completing them. We're upset that it's such a discrepancy between effort/reward that other top-tier weapons aren't subjected to. We're upset about the TREND of these relic trials to be increasing. Magian trials have put an upkeep on relic/mythic weapons that continually require hours and hours of time to keep them from being outclassed by other weapons.

Years after completing my Relic Scythe, I invested a large amount of time/money into getting a Mythic Scythe which I completed over a year ago. Because of RL obligations and engaging in daily activities with my LS, I'm unable to complete those trials. Because of this, the most recent update released Magian Scythes that now outclass my Mythic Weapon. Do you feel it's fair that I invested an inordinate amount of time to collect two rare weapons over a period of almost 7 years that I've been playing, and only able to maintain one of them? In 3 months from now they're going to release another update and probably 2 more relic trials that will require even more time. At that point I'll have to invest over 200 hrs just to stay competitive with Mythic Scythe. And trust me, the unique ability of +3 stat to absorbs is STILL completely useless.

The upkeep for relics/mythics is disproportionate to the upkeep needed by top-tier magian weapons. Make top-tier magian weapons require 2,000 WS killshots, and I'll stop complaining.

I spent some time thinking about this post and what Sath said. Not to imply this is what either of you meant but this is how I view it: (i'm skipping mythics because I don't own one, but the application applies)

1) fully upgraded relics are better than fully upgraded magians

2) the trials to upgrade the relics are more severe than the ones to upgrade the magians (arguable if you have no access to an LS for some of the drops, but certainly the drops for magians are comparable to relic tests and fragments)

3) the extra effort in trials for the relics are more or less comparable to the gain in ability over the fully upgraded magians

4) if the cost of a fully upgraded relic is currency + trials while that of a magians is trials, then the currency for relics has effectively been discounted.

That's how I see it. SE is treating the cost of existing relics as sunk cost and irrelevant to their decisions. (It could be they have discounted the currency by 50-75%. You "might" be willing to do a relic today if it was $30M, idk.)

Disagree or not, but I doubt anyone would start a relic from scratch today under this scenario. That basically means the same thing.


To be more blunt about it:

If there was a box next to the magians with free base relics with a price tag of zero, some people would not choose them. Probably many would. But if the price tag was 30mill gil, many people would not choose them. At 100mill, perhaps no one would choose them.

Somewhere in there is how much all the effort to obtain the original relics has been shitted away.

[Tekki]

I can't decide if a handful of people in this thread that are so misdirectly opnionated due to their lack of real perspective not having one... or relic holders are being proffesionally trolled.

Ive gone through this thread and I have to say sath's and Kir's post hit the nail square on the head. And saths tldr fuckity fuck fuck gtfo represents the same frustration at people without relics not getting the effort/reward point of kir's post.

Maybe another relic hold coming in will only echo the point? I spent 14months on lolexcbeforeshield and 6 months on shield. I work full time now, nearly 50 hrs a week. I might be able to invest 3-10hrs a week in this game. I won't ask how I would go about doing this quest, its damn near out of the question... Instead I"ll ask; Is it better for me to simply quest out a mag weapon and figuritively throw away my Excalibur?

Yes.. it is. The bottom dollar says the work involved isn't work it. Its like spending 3 years salary on a car that gets 29mpg or buying a used car with 4 months salary for 28mpg.

But thats not the worst part of all this. The worst part is relic holder are NOT going to give up on their investment. The was more then just the time and gil involved. The hold a higher value that justifies the frustration of the current cost/reward of today's upgrades compared to the new items.

I always thought that the worst part of FFXI was the fact that most of the best things a player can get were created too early in the game. Now the development team is stuck spending years properly and in most cases, improperly, trying to balance new content with old. This situation is only more evidence of the theory.

[Tekki]

forgive the grammer and spelling. ironically i posted that at work on my phone

and

fuckity fuck fuck sath

[Mathayus]

Hoho! MAB+10 if I can get past 1250 more undead kill shots with Vidohunir. The question now arises, is this now on par with HQ staffs or will I only waste my time?

[Xno Kappa]

It's bullshit for you guys to be honest.

I waited to see what magian trials would offer once the Empyrean weapons were introduced and as of now, I've pretty much flown through most of it. Ready to spam the next trial as soon as everyone figures out where the last x30/x50 item piece drops. I personally think though that SE will catch on to everything and the next trials will be an easy walk-through for you guys. Won't hear me say this often but...have faith in SE?

Anyways, as a non-relic holder let me say this, we're doing this quest because we wish we had a relic/mythic. Plain and simple.

[Arcsol]

It's bullshit for you guys to be honest.

I waited to see what magian trials would offer once the Empyrean weapons were introduced and as of now, I've pretty much flown through most of it. Ready to spam the next trial as soon as everyone figures out where the last x30/x50 item piece drops. I personally think though that SE will catch on to everything and the next trials will be an easy walk-through for you guys. Won't hear me say this often but...have faith in SE?

Anyways, as a non-relic holder let me say this, we're doing this quest because we wish we had a relic/mythic. Plain and simple.

I am willing to bet that if we traded, you'd be begging me to trade back within a week. I'm so envious of you right now lol.

[Eleven19]

After mulling this over at 6 AM laying in bed this morning, I've just ended up frustrating myself more thinking about the methods by which they could have instituted relic/mythic upgrades.

The developers of this game boast story constantly. They are the storytellers, they are (apparently) good storytellers. From a game with the Final Fantasy title, most of us do expect exceptional storyline. You look back at games like Final Fantasy 6, or whichever is your favorite. Pick any one, and you'll more than likely sit there and argue why it was the best simply because the story was amazing.

Now, what they did with relic weapons is completely miss an opportunity to tell a story behind each one. Relics and Mythics have no business being in the Magian moogle trials. They aren't Magian weapons. If the developers would have sat down and thought this out, they could have come up with some pretty amazing and engaging storyline for pretty much every single weapon. Granted, I believe if they wanted to go in-depth enough, it would have required WotG expansion, and I dunno if they would want to break the bounds because Relic and Mythic are RoZ/ToA.

For relics, at least, they had an unbelievable opportunity to create quest lines involving pretty much each weapon. I'm not aware of ALL the weapons' owners in the WotG expansion (In fact I've yet to see Clausturm.. or maybe I have), however its clear that all the weapons were more or less involved in the crystal war. They could have had us traveling around to get cut scenes, however large or small. We could have traced each weapon back to its origins, and learned the 'secret' to unlocking their true potential from people like Noillurie who owned the Amano. Could have had you traveling to Norg to see what became of her or something. Hell, I don't know, I'm not the god damn story writer, but in a lousy 10 minutes of typing out a long-winded post, I've come up with a system that most relic owners would see as a reward, rather than a punishment, for obtaining some of the most difficult and time consuming items in the game.

Would have opened up ways to get Aegis and Ghorn buffed up beyond what they were as well. Christ, give aegis some more stats or something, HP+50 shield skill+15. Go through the questline for it and add stats as you go. Make it broken and overpowered, it should be, its a god damn aegis. Could have had quest lines involving Ghorn and some phenomenal but insane maestro who played it like nobody could. You follow in their footsteps and see what made them so crazy, and unlock your potential as a musician. Add some CHR and skill, songs+3-4, so what. Its a Ghorn it cost 150m gil.

Mythics? Every quest could have been something involving its background in ToA. Could have had you roaming to meet with the leaders of the beastmen kings there. Could have had cut scenes in places like Arrappago Reef concerning the ghosts of soldiers involved in the war, talking about the weapons. More from Balrahn or whatever his name is, telling you the potential of the weapon isn't yet realized.

I don't know, I'm not the god damn writer, and my ideas pale in comparison to what the dev team could have written if they actually tried.

I wish I could say they didn't do it because of PS2 limitations on space, but that's gotta be BS. They missed an opportunity to grant us something really awesome as upgrade quests, and instead we've gotten 6500 instances of weaponskilling, mostly killshotting, that only serves to keep us grinding and playing for longer.

The more I think about it, the more disappointed I am at lost potential. I'm not wasting what little time I play this game these days doing 6500 weaponskills, I'm barely 500 into the first trial. I'm probably just going to get the Lv80 magian GK, the weaponskill one, and go the path for DMG+ and sTP+. Fuck it. Its just not worth the aggravation anymore.

[Ayn]

Pretty much noted the same thing, Kadaj. You see half of the damn relics floating around in campaign. With each relic obtained, you basically get the dialogue saying "Your true journey as <insert job> is just beginning" etc.

Same thing with mythics, too. They even went out more with those in typing up a little bit of a backstory behind each mythic weapon. I don't even (and never will) own one, but man, it would've been awesome to see them expand on the storyline for each.

[Wrish]

I have no sympathy at all for the classic relic owners who are already complaining (that's apoc, spharai, mandau, etc.). To get a relic you have to be good at grinding out gil. To upgrade your relic you have to be good at killshotting tiny mobs with your relic WS. How hard is that? You can do each stage solo in about a standard workweek - yet people have alts and lsmates to speed it along. This is really the same skill set. (If you bought your relic off ebay or embezzled from LS's, then you don't even deserve it, and this would show!)

There are final-upgrade magian weapons that, as far as I know, all fall short of final-upgrade relics, while being competitive with or surpassing plain relics. These max-DPS magian weapons are less desirable than the relics because the former can't be upgraded further. But people are saying the former are MUCH easier to get. I don't get that. Imagine needing to collect 10 copies of any black belt item. We'd see at most 1-2 new final-upgrade magian weapons a month. About the same rate as relics come out. Until we know better, we may end up with a large population of partially upgraded magian weapons, because speculation is strong that the last stage is rate-limiting.

Or, more likely I predict, the majority of magian upgraders would pick one of the status enhancement paths for a decent DPS weapon with awesome side-traits. That requires little grinding by comparison to either the pure-DPS or relic paths.

The last point I wanted to touch on is relic owners who complain they now work 50+ hours a week. Not only is the number of waking hours in a week well over 100, but (1) SE didn't touch your existing relic weapon and (2) you can't expect to keep your place at the top of the DPS charts without any effort, while others are working their butts off.

P.S. For those who don't realize, if you're shopping for magian upgrade paths on wiki and the final forms display yellow-tinted damage augments, those aren't the final forms. All the final forms are level 80.