Relic Augments

[Nightmarelord]

They specifically made a level 80 version relic so we can make another 75 relic! how nice of them! Then when the 85,90,95 versions come out we can upgrade more relics to have a total of 6 different relics of the same name for each level cap! What joy we get to have to do the magian quests so many times! And for the 99th upgrade after individually doing the magian quests countless times over and over we can combined them all into voltron!

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i fucking lol'd so hard. VOLTRON! and failure i <3 u!

[Onorgul]

I'm confused, are you playing a different game than me? This isn't even saying there will be no camps at level 90. It's saying that they will be crowded, there may not be enough, and they may be worse exp than syncing down. MMM? On our server, that wasn't even a very good option because it took half an hour to even get in.

Ok, point taken here. I tend to think of how the game acts more than a week after an update. MMM has calmed back down, camps aren't full of people determined to hit 80 instantly, etc. The ramped up level cap is probably discouraging a lot of people from leveling more jobs, so less need for merits with your gimped relic.

All that argument aside, I don't see why SE couldn't have scaled relic weapons down properly. However, I don't see why they can't scale anything down properly. There's certainly no compelling reason that Kirin's Osode goes from treasure to trash by dropping down to 74. Level sync and gear have always been shitty, so I guess my real problem with the complaints here is in figuring out why relic owners think they're entitled to special treatment above and beyond the capacity their weapon already brings. God knows, I refuse to play my Monk level synced because Black Belt becomes a 1 STR paperweight under level 70. Frankly, relic weapons get off pretty easy compared to that.

[NynJa]

Are you aware of how the equipment scaling works? Its tiered...they didnt go through every piece of gear and went "at lv1 its this, at 10 its this, etc etc". Every stat in every slot is given caps by level, NOT by gear.

[Sho]

Again with this shit, I am perfectly happy for the relic to be gimped under sync. Its the fact SE has not implemented any optimal merit camps or even decent camps for a level 80. Fucking right I want it to be optimal in all situations, since the vast majority of other endgame content also focuses on targets with similar level ranges to merit targets.



Clutching at straws here, not even a remotely valid point. The only arguement you could've made is that the possible oversight SE may have made will be short lived.



Heaven forbid people want to optimise they weapon the spent 200M+ on, even if it is only marginally better than a common weapon that has a damage type bonus against certain families.



You're really beginning to sound bitter, I'm sure we won't miss your contributions.

I'm not bitter at all, lol -- I won't lose sleep over an argument I gracefully stepped out of over the internet, my man (win or lose). And you're the one who's shouting at this point. Or about to be.

It's ok guy! Enjoy your powered up relic irrrrregardless of the of the change.

Are you aware of how the equipment scaling works? Its tiered...they didnt go through every piece of gear and went "at lv1 its this, at 10 its this, etc etc". Every stat in every slot is given caps by level, NOT by gear.

This I didn't know. That sucks. @_@

[FailureMidgard]

Ok, point taken here. I tend to think of how the game acts more than a week after an update. MMM has calmed back down, camps aren't full of people determined to hit 80 instantly, etc. The ramped up level cap is probably discouraging a lot of people from leveling more jobs, so less need for merits with your gimped relic.

All that argument aside, I don't see why SE couldn't have scaled relic weapons down properly. However, I don't see why they can't scale anything down properly. There's certainly no compelling reason that Kirin's Osode goes from treasure to trash by dropping down to 74. Level sync and gear have always been shitty, so I guess my real problem with the complaints here is in figuring out why relic owners think they're entitled to special treatment above and beyond the capacity their weapon already brings. God knows, I refuse to play my Monk level synced because Black Belt becomes a 1 STR paperweight under level 70. Frankly, relic weapons get off pretty easy compared to that.

Not asking for special treatment. They are in fact the only items in the game receiving the special treatment in the reverse. It'd be equivalent to Black Belt suddenly being a level 80 item for no apparent reason and sucking at 75. We're not asking for relics to be good at 74 or 70, just to be as good as they have been for the past 8 years or whatever at 75.

Also, how are you saying a Black Belt syncs worse than relics? At best, the relic keeps a couple accuracy...loses any base damage advantage, loses 2.5x proc, loses WS access. They both blow, but saying Black Belt has it worse under sync is delusional.

[Onorgul]

Going from 12% Haste to 0% Haste isn't what you'd call a significant change? And I don't have a Brown Belt because, you know, I have to turn that sucker in and, like you, I don't feel like carrying around an AH item for level sync. But if I could level my Black Belt up to 80 and get, say, 2% more Haste and an extra point of STR, Subtle Blow, and -PDT, I'd do it without hesitating.

[NynJa]

Going from 12% Haste to 0% Haste isn't what you'd call a significant change? And I don't have a Brown Belt because, you know, I have to turn that sucker in and, like you, I don't feel like carrying around an AH item for level sync. But if I could level my Black Belt up to 80 and get, say, 2% more Haste and an extra point of STR, Subtle Blow, and -PDT, I'd do it without hesitating.

Except Black Belt was created as a lv70 item, therefor its expected to be annuled lower than 70. Upgrading a relic to KEEP IT stronger than what Magian is putting out renders it useless at lv75, which is what it was originally created as.

[Onorgul]

Really? The kenpo belts are actually basically the same upgrade method that relics are at now. You start off with a White Belt (what a relic weapon is at 75 compared to 99), move onto Purple which is necessary for Brown and, at the end of it all, you get Black Belt with the added kick in the nuts that you don't get the benefit of the Brown Belt you used to reached that point. Black Belt is just in a better place right now because it is level 70 instead of 75 but, hey, I don't level sync on Monk.

[FailureMidgard]

Going from 12% Haste to 0% Haste isn't what you'd call a significant change? And I don't have a Brown Belt because, you know, I have to turn that sucker in and, like you, I don't feel like carrying around an AH item for level sync. But if I could level my Black Belt up to 80 and get, say, 2% more Haste and an extra point of STR, Subtle Blow, and -PDT, I'd do it without hesitating.

2% haste is better than the entire relic upgrade, btw. Also, I didn't fucking say that there is no significant change on Black Belt, I'm fucking saying that relic loses EVERY SINGLE THING it has going for it, just like Black Belt. Also, again, none of us are hesitating, people are just annoyed at this unnecessary penalty.

Really? The kenpo belts are actually basically the same upgrade method that relics are at now. You start off with a White Belt (what a relic weapon is at 75 compared to 99), move onto Purple which is necessary for Brown and, at the end of it all, you get Black Belt with the added kick in the nuts that you don't get the benefit of the Brown Belt you used to reached that point. Black Belt is just in a better place right now because it is level 70 instead of 75 but, hey, I don't level sync on Monk.

And this just makes me wonder if you even understand the argument. 70 vs 75 has nothing to do with anything. Nobody is asking for a relic to work under 70-74 sync, AT ALL. People want it to work in the same locations it always has worked in. As in, what is the point in making the final version level 80?

[Neosutra]

I dont really think Failure or anyone else is crying over this, their just pointing out it was a silly decision by SE.

Silly argument is silly. Let's see more pics of lvl 80 relics!

[Arcsol]

I dont really think Failure or anyone else is crying over this, their just pointing out it was a silly decision by SE.

Silly argument is silly. Let's see more pics of lvl 80 relics!

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[Zag]

this ^ and post the proc rate of the hidden effect or the additional effect dmg. If aftermath increased by 3 mins on relic weapons then they must have changed something on relics too?

Glanzfaust is looking more and more badass with a possible 10% crit hit rate with focus on anda possible 10% attack bonus with dodge on plus its only 2 less dmg then spharai and can double attack alot. The fury WS is getting more and more badass vs HNM type mobs too, usually being the best situation WS around now besides DK with /thf. It went from extrememly lol to now beating destroyers in damage WITHOUT the aftermath active. I wanna hear more about the level 80 versions of the all the weapons and not some level sync drama. (although justified.)

[Snprphnx]

SE can easily solve the relic situation. Make them all a 30 weapon, good for anything.

[Appie]

Ya, basically never...elemental only limbus w/ Faiths...Blm AF Hat? Few other random times I was specifically killing elementals or slimes, /shrug.

Ah, I thought you had bigger plans with it, which was why I asked.

this ^ and post the proc rate of the hidden effect or the additional effect dmg. If aftermath increased by 3 mins on mythic(typo?) weapons then they must have changed something on relics too?

Glanzfaust is looking more and more badass with a possible 10% crit hit rate with focus on anda possible 10% attack bonus with dodge on plus its only 2 less dmg then spharai and can double attack alot. The fury WS is getting more and more badass vs HNM type mobs too, usually being the best situation WS around now besides DK with /thf. It went from extrememly lol to now beating destroyers in damage WITHOUT the aftermath active. I wanna hear more about the level 80 versions of the all the weapons and not some level sync drama. (although justified.)

I thought the att bonus was on Focus and crit bonus not really certain and dodge giving a counter boost and not att. Anyway, shame Almalexia quit/isn't here/whatever happened? Need to get some Glanzfaust in here. Main thing I wonder about Glanzfaust (as I asked before) is if it got ninja fixed to magian OAT h2h level?

[Fottiti]

I'm done with this silly argument within this thread and making huge replies, have fun weeping about your non-syncable relics, nothing will change either way unless JP beg for it.

I'm not bitter at all, lol -- I won't lose sleep over an argument I gracefully stepped out of over the internet, my man (win or lose). And you're the one who's shouting at this point. Or about to be.

It's ok guy! Enjoy your powered up relic irrrrregardless of the of the change

Cool bro, you must be like the first person ever who said they were done with the thread then came back. You're the one whos stopped even trying to rebuttle with any valid points, yet you keep coming back like a persistent case of herpes.

[Sho]

Cool bro, you must be like the first person ever who said they were done with the thread then came back. You're the one whos stopped even trying to rebuttle with any valid points, yet you keep coming back like a persistent case of herpes.

Oy, go away. I said I'm doing arguing with you on the matters of relic level synced, I didn't say I was done posting/reading in the thread at all. "I'm done with this silly argument within this thread and making huge replies." Bolded, Italics, quoted just for you. Learn to read better.

You seem to get your jollies off with having trying the last say with an insult, but you fail at that as well. Shut the fuck up and keep the BS to yourself.

Edit: Nah, never mind. I'll just ignore you.

[Fottiti]

For someone who has been around long enough to amass over 3,000 posts you seem awefully naive about the internet.

[Atoreis]

this ^ and post the proc rate of the hidden effect or the additional effect dmg. If aftermath increased by 3 mins on relic weapons then they must have changed something on relics too?

Glanzfaust is looking more and more badass with a possible 10% crit hit rate with focus on anda possible 10% attack bonus with dodge on plus its only 2 less dmg then spharai and can double attack alot. The fury WS is getting more and more badass vs HNM type mobs too, usually being the best situation WS around now besides DK with /thf. It went from extrememly lol to now beating destroyers in damage WITHOUT the aftermath active. I wanna hear more about the level 80 versions of the all the weapons and not some level sync drama. (although justified.)

Can somone do the math to check possibility of 2-3 Footwork beat everything including mythic and relic? DPS can be a little lower on 2-3 Footwork but you can make Footwork 6hit build (well its not true 6hit build its just 5 hit to 100tp after ws that gives 28+tp) and WS is also much potent.
90(w/o fstr) dmg 2-3 hit with ws that do 1200-1600 on 100tp (well on EP) 10%att bonus and ridiculous low tp feed. Realy plz to someone do the math ^^

[Vodou]

Can somone do the math to check possibility of 2-3 Footwork beat everything including mythic and relic? DPS can be a little lower on 2-3 Footwork but you can make Footwork 6hit build (well its not true 6hit build its just 5 hit to 100tp after ws that gives 28+tp) and WS is also much potent.
90(w/o fstr) dmg 2-3 hit with ws that do 1200-1600 on 100tp (well on EP) 10%att bonus and ridiculous low tp feed. Realy plz to someone do the math ^^

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.htm...59946031204407

[jimbobsonofgod]

Just wanted to thank the guy who mentioned snolls as arcana it worked out quite well for tizona.

Off to do plantoids .....