Relic Augments

[Tekki]

Exc still gets its additional effect offhand

rdm Mandau/Excalibur , go

[Nightmarelord]

Sweet, so pretty much nothing to look forward to for my 2343234 hours of skipping fun events in order to kill EPs.

but its apoc! isnt it already beefy enough? i thought it was one of the few weapons where even magian aint got shit on it just due to how apoc allows a player to play.

[Taint]

but its apoc! isnt it already beefy enough? i thought it was one of the few weapons where even magian aint got shit on it just due to how apoc allows a player to play.

Yeah Apoc is great, my comment was based on the fact that more base damage doesn't change Apoc's strong points at all. I was hoping for increased duration or even a slight increase in haste. I already do plenty of damage for what I use DRK for and at 80 I find myself holding back more so then 75 because I'm either hogging all the hate (tanking) or having to use Seigan more.

[Arthars]

i had to do it because SE seem serious about this....they been truthful and boosting our relics(by a lil)...but idk why they come up with 2000 EP at the last part for this patch man....

this also means that 2500 3000 etc is possible all the waqy to 99 -_-

and yea i didnt wanna do this shit but i had to...at least last stage for now is 2000 birds......

i cannot even bring myself to start kikoku after apoc tbh -_-

[Neosutra]

I'm starting to get nightmares about upgrading Aegis..

[Taint]

Horn and Shield would have upgrades now if SE's creativity didn't stop at kill Xmobs with Xws, X amount of times.

[jimbobsonofgod]

this also means that 2500 3000 etc is possible all the waqy to 99 -_-

1500 1500, 1500 2000, 2000 2000, 2500 2500, 3000 3000, 3500 3500

I don't know if that scares me more, or the possibilities of shit like
500 chloris buds, 2,000,000 cruor, 500 Karkinos kills or 4000 Abyssea Specific mobs.

[Hyan]

In the end you'll kill 17900 mobs :D.

[tsaroth816]

In the end you'll kill 17900 mobs :D.

That gave me a little chuckle

[Arcsol]

In the end you'll kill 17900 mobs :D.

very clever

[Mayura]

Atleast you're getting a nice DMG boost. I'm getting DMG+4 Attack+5 on my dagger -.-

"But but but Dagger got a huge boost in dmg years ago! It's normal you got shit upgrade so you shouldn't complain about this dmg+4" generic answer.

[NynJa]

Its pretty disgusting to remember that at one point, it was a D32 weapon.

[Tsuko_Asura]

Exc still gets its additional effect offhand

rdm Mandau/Excalibur , go

That seems incredibly unlikely.

[Atoreis]

So Glanzenfaust with AM3 beats Spharai and Footwork by miles now.

[Byrthnoth]

Exc still gets its additional effect offhand

rdm Mandau/Excalibur , go

Nono, Excal80/Excal75

[Onorgul]

So Glanzenfaust with AM3 beats Spharai and Footwork by miles now.

Based... on what?

[Atoreis]

Based... on what?

From Kinematics math Spharai is a little ahead of 2-3 footwork ( tho i think his math favor Spharai ). Now Glanzfaust is 2 less base dmg 40% of time close to same att and 5%(?) crit more (thats not counting augments II, which can be +10% now and that will make more att and crit+10%(?)) counter +10 40% of the time(probably) and 10 daley more and 42% more hit rate.

Base dmg per round:
(38+34)*2*1,05=151 with 386 daley thats ~23,5 DPS
(38+32)*2*1,47=205 with 396 daley thats ~31 DPS
Thats not including fSTR which will push Glanzfaust even more over Spharai

There is no way +25att for 60%of time will fill the gap (also 10%crit during focus would beat +25att during nonfocus)

Asuran should be very close in dmg on both and on harder stuff both howling and ascetic will avg do more on Glanz cuz of DA.

Ofc more haste = faster TP = easier AM3 maintaining so yeah which is better depends on support and situation but for zerg which you can start with AM3 Glanzfaust with oat,crit and att during focus is beast.

[Tsuko_Asura]

Mythic Weapons require that you withhold large amounts of TP, and have no more than a 50% proc rate. The OA3 Magian Weapon requires no TP storage, and has a significantly higher proc rate.

[Appie]

From Kinematics math Spharai is a little ahead of 2-3 footwork ( tho i think his math favor Spharai ). Now Glanzfaust is 2 less base dmg 40% of time close to same att and 5%(?) crit more (thats not counting augments II, which can be +10% now and that will make more att and crit+10%(?)) counter +10 40% of the time(probably) and 10 daley more and 42% more hit rate.

Base dmg per round:
(38+34)*2*1,05=151 with 386 daley thats ~23,5 DPS
(38+32)*2*1,47=205 with 396 daley thats ~31 DPS
Thats not including fSTR which will push Glanzfaust even more over Spharai

There is no way +25att for 60%of time will fill the gap (also 10%crit during focus would beat +25att during nonfocus)

Asuran should be very close in dmg on both and on harder stuff both howling and ascetic will avg do more on Glanz cuz of DA.

Ofc more haste = faster TP = easier AM3 maintaining so yeah which is better depends on support and situation but for zerg which you can start with AM3 Glanzfaust with oat,crit and att during focus is beast.

It's late here, what's the bolded part based on?

By the way if you bother to mention counter for Glanzfaust you might want to mention it for Spharai too, 60% of the time 10% counter over Glanzfaust. And if Salv wasn't such a shit event I'd be more motivated to finish this trial and find out what Counter II does.

And if you bother to mention crit boost for 2mins, want to bother with triple procs full time too then?

The fact SE decided to give Glanzfaust 1 base dmg closer to Spharai compared to pre-magian doesn't scare me, a ninja fix to the OAT would.

[Atoreis]

It's late here, what's the bolded part based on?

By the way if you bother to mention counter for Glanzfaust you might want to mention it for Spharai too, 60% of the time 10% counter over Glanzfaust. And if Salv wasn't such a shit event I'd be more motivated to finish this trial and find out what Counter II does.

And if you bother to mention crit boost for 2mins, want to bother with triple procs full time too then?

The fact SE decided to give Glanzfaust 1 base dmg closer to Spharai compared to pre-magian doesn't scare me, a ninja fix to the OAT would.

If oat is 45% on am3 then with brutal its 47% so 42% more then 5% on mnk/nin spharai.
OAT on Glanzfaust was fixed I think?
How you assume counter II on spharai is 15% and dodge II on Glanz is still 5%?
Triple on Spharai is gimped to main hand only :/