Relic Augments

[Fottiti]

Dayum dude you gots some serious math skillz working out stp with ffxicalc!

Seems like being a retard is pretty die hard for you.

He's also concluded in Ein and Dynamis, he's parsing much lower than with Amano under same conditions.

[FailureMidgard]

Names+4hits? - need 19.55TP/hit after names w/ hachi legs/feet and rajas...

I got that from your gearset. LOL, really.
Really, need 19.55 per hit?

Anyway, ignoring your WS set, I can take your current gearset and change the following:

replace Hachiman Hands+1 with Dusk Gloves+1 : -9 stp, +4 haste
replace Chiv Chain with Unkai Nodowa : +2 stp
replace VBelt with Goading Belt : +5 stp, -1 haste
replace Fourth Divion Mantle with Tactical Mantle : +4 stp

K, I'll leave it at that for now. Ends up with +3 haste over your current setup (and currently has 2 more STP).
Past that, there's tons of possibilities, depending what you want to do with WS set (I'm not even gonna look at yours, about to enter dyna). You can keep ecphoria, and try to drop STP on WS set. You can drop Ecphoria and get an Acc or Strigoi ring. You can Drop the Unkai and Pick up an Ancient Torque or Justice Torque. You can drop WTurban and pick up Aces. This all depends on accuracy, etc, etc, and I don't even know which minute one is best with that setup and a Yoichi (dunno WS/TP split). But the point is the idiotic suggestions you are flinging here are flat out stupid.

[Konda]

So there isn't a new neck with StoreTP?
Isn't a grip with StoreTP?
No other slot has StoreTP?
Not even worth the time to list shit.

And how much Acc are you planning to drop with this build?

I said I was out of the loop a bit with abyssea items.

Pizza can't solve your Acc issues, and Soboro doesn't have +25 Acc. You're suggesting using sushi to drop to 5hit?



You've not provided any information on this mystical build so excuse me for not being able to read your mind across an internet forum.



looking at some of the update items (I didn't know about jse neck) I conceede 5hit is pobably workable with jse neck and g.belt.

But for you to come out and call him gimp over now having G.belt when I don't think there's been a NA Drop? get over yourself.

[Konda]

Dayum dude you gots some serious math skillz working out stp with ffxicalc!

Seems like being a retard is pretty die hard for you.

ffxicalc is just quicker than doing it on paper. I'll do it on a fucking abacus and upload the video onto youtube if you want.

And how do you know which is better between the 2 for ein/dynamis? Do you have both? do you have the lv80 versions of both? do you have a similar standard of equipment for both?

you're adding nothing to this discussion. excuse me if I trust somebody who has both over you.

Anyway, ignoring your WS set, I can take your current gearset and change the following:

replace Hachiman Hands+1 with Dusk Gloves+1 : -9 stp, +4 haste
replace Chiv Chain with Unkai Nodowa : +2 stp
replace VBelt with Goading Belt : +5 stp, -1 haste
replace Fourth Divion Mantle with Tactical Mantle : +4 stp

Didn't know about the mantle or the jse neck. 5hit's way more feasable now i guess.... however, it's by no means easy enough to get to be considered gimp to not have it.

[Fiendishone]

SO MANY RELIC AUGMENTS!!!!

[Yabby]

Someone PM me when this shit is over.

[Konda]

SO MANY RELIC AUGMENTS!!!!

maybe they thought it was Relic Argument thread?

[Fottiti]

ffxicalc is just quicker than doing it on paper. I'll do it on a fucking abacus and upload the video onto youtube if you want.

And how do you know which is better between the 2 for ein/dynamis? Do you have both? do you have the lv80 versions of both? do you have a similar standard of equipment for both?

Once again you are parsing a situation which has an infinite number of variables (this could be from someone WSing slowly due to an itch or anything you can imagine). Your parses mean nothing, we don't care who you trust since you've already established what you think isn't worth caring about.

Next you'll be telling me you are going to full time enmity equipment on pld because a guy you know has 80 pld and he does it, its all fucking maths (in which /drg wins) and /drg gains more than /war in actual play than you will get from perfect model because of jumps.

[Terrestrialrage]

Posting on Fiendishone's request:

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t...cy/80Amano.png

Fuck these trials. Never wanna see another bird for the rest of my life. Every time i run to Einherjar now I have intense horrifying flashbacks...

[NynJa]

/drg will win with much less support than you seem to think, also for an event like einherjar and depending on the size/killspeed of the group jumps will become a larger portion of your tp gain.

Someone WITH a Yoich confirming this...thoguh last time I mentionned this it seemed everyone was out to get me, citing that berserk is a godsend. Sam/Namas is on the same level as the OAT2-3x footwork mnks: get TP as fast as possible with the shit DMG weapon to fire high dmg WS's that dont take said shit DMG weapon into consideration.

While yes, additional buffs are nice to up damage...thats how shit works for every fucking DD class lol, "you need brd+cor to fuck shit up"...how is that different from anythign else?

[FailureMidgard]

And how much Acc are you planning to drop with this build?

I said I was out of the loop a bit with abyssea items.

Pizza can't solve your Acc issues, and Soboro doesn't have +25 Acc. You're suggesting using sushi to drop to 5hit?



You've not provided any information on this mystical build so excuse me for not being able to read your mind across an internet forum.



looking at some of the update items (I didn't know about jse neck) I conceede 5hit is pobably workable with jse neck and g.belt.

But for you to come out and call him gimp over now having G.belt when I don't think there's been a NA Drop? get over yourself.

Again, I stated in my 2nd post I was semi-joking until you responded with the bullshit you normally spew. And if you have an issue with not knowing drops, why have you argued so vehemently for the past however many posts instead of saying at the start "I'm unaware of new drops, what would you use now to make it better"? I made it clear that the new patch changed it, as far as I can tell.
As for accuracy, I left it open for a reason. You gain accuracy with /drg over /war. You could drop the JSE neck with that back I listed, and use an Ancient Torque. You can (and should) drop WTurban for Aces if you can use the acc too. Normally, I say fuck Aces, but when you're using a ranged WS, Pizza becomes significantly worse than all melee calculations out there, no you shouldn't really use it unless you absolutely have to. Also, bringing up 25 acc on my weapon is dumb - I use a str ring, justice torque, etc. You gain 10 sj, 7 helm, 4 ring, and 5 neck.

Really, above all, learn to read.

[Onorgul]

Who was I arguing with a month or three ago that was trying to tell me /Warrior was duh-obviously superior to /Dragoon for Samurai with Yoichinoyumi? And why is his little mouth shut when Failure suggests /Dragoon?

[chazzyphizzle]

Someone WITH a Yoich confirming this...thoguh last time I mentionned this it seemed everyone was out to get me, citing that berserk is a godsend. Sam/Namas is on the same level as the OAT2-3x footwork mnks: get TP as fast as possible with the shit DMG weapon to fire high dmg WS's that dont take said shit DMG weapon into consideration.

While yes, additional buffs are nice to up damage...thats how shit works for every fucking DD class lol, "you need brd+cor to fuck shit up"...how is that different from anythign else?

Depending on merits and gear, isn't tping with ursine claws and footwork like swinging around an 85-91(?) base damage weapon 2-3 times? Hardly a shit dmg weapon.

[NynJa]

Depending on merits and gear, isn't tping with ursine claws and footwork like swinging around an 85-91(?) base damage weapon 2-3 times? Hardly a shit dmg weapon.

Hmm, yeah I guess Ursine is slightly different since it gives oat to the feet, which still go by kick attacks DMG.

[NynJa]

Who was I arguing with a month or three ago that was trying to tell me /Warrior was duh-obviously superior to /Dragoon for Samurai with Yoichinoyumi? And why is his little mouth shut when Failure suggests /Dragoon?

http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/showthread.php?t=94798
That would be Tsuko...

[Konda]

Who was I arguing with a month or three ago that was trying to tell me /Warrior was duh-obviously superior to /Dragoon for Samurai with Yoichinoyumi? And why is his little mouth shut when Failure suggests /Dragoon?

I was wondering this myself :/

[Nermie]

In support of Ejin's gear ... somebody needs to sell some freaking Hachiryu Sune-ate on Caitsith. I think we went 1/21 couple months ago.

[FailureMidgard]

Who was I arguing with a month or three ago that was trying to tell me /Warrior was duh-obviously superior to /Dragoon for Samurai with Yoichinoyumi? And why is his little mouth shut when Failure suggests /Dragoon?

I was wondering this myself :/

You do both realize that the game changes, right? You realize that when 6hit was really shitty because you had to drop a bunch of haste a stuff, once you assumed 6hit, you were at 23% gear haste, meaning Wyvern Earring is only giving 2.5% haste (and there was no need for Usu Feet). Now, with the additional StoreTP gear available, a 5hit is both realistic, and not too hard to get. One of the best tradeoffs available is -1% haste for +5 StoreTP on belt. Combining this with Usukane, you're now looking at 4.5% haste gain from a Wyvern earring. This significantly changes any calculations that were done pre-80 assuming only a 2.5% haste gain.

Past that, I am still not arguing for /drg over /war necessarily. I haven't done the math, but unless Namas is so weak the bow isn't even worth making/using, I don't really see /war winning unless you can't TP on the mob. Obviously though, this depends on target/buffs/etc, and in no way am I saying you should never use /war.

In the end, most my arguing in this thread has been advocating a 5hit with the new gear being released, and pointing out that /drg can maintain capped haste with said 5hit (which I think would be better).

[Konda]

I agree that 5-hit is definatly the best option, with these new additions. Like I said, I'm a little out of the loop with what was added with abyssea, and apologise for not taking it on blind faith from you. Had you posted a little more info in the 1st place we prob could have avoided the usual 2 page derail our lovely discussions usually achieve. :3

However, for lv75 /war build, his stuff is capped. although it's no longer the best, it's by no means gimp just because he doesn't have the new stuff.

[Fiendishone]

maybe they thought it was Relic Argument thread?

i c wut u did thar