Relic Augments

[Ayn]

Any special tips on 2k birds? I'm doing pretty well at the leypoint, 60/hr, so much better than dancing fking weapons. Just wondering if an abyssea pt centered around it would be faster, if anyone's had experience with that. 1262 to go.

..Any Apocs on Sylph still on this trial? I'm in the same boat. Think this would be doable/easy solo with a single mule, or?

[BerenTebogo]

The vast majority currenty lose to Empyreans. All the Empyreans that provide a superior WS to what is otherwise available (e.g. H2H, katana, GAxe, GK, etc.) are better by an absurd margin.

And the empyreans are much easier to acquire by comparison, correct?

[Nightfyre]

Could do any of them in a month or so even on a relatively casual schedule, some much less (anything that goes Carabosse > Cirein-croin is a joke).

It is worth noting that the WS is the primary reason most of them lose at this time.

[Scrooge]

Yea they're easier and faster to upgrade.

[Edit] My earlier "vast majority" may have been a bit of an overstatement, but I think it's still fair to say that Emypreans as a whole beat relics as a whole at this point of the game.

[Eleven19]

It is worth noting that the WS is the primary reason most of them lose at this time.

This is also the reason that the Walk of Echoes versions (Getting 30 of x coin instead of 50 x NM drop, get access to WS with 1 or so less DMG: and no aftermath) are also probably ahead right now. Relics are going to need access to these WS's, or new WS's to compete with them to be back on top.

[BerenTebogo]

My regret is non-existent. A+ work SE.

[Guitarman]

for reference sath:

http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/2961/ukko1.png

posted by ejincaitsith on epic dmg thread. Bravura just can't keep up with that.

[Atoreis]

Why ppl think that if relics will have access to emp WS then they will be back on top? Beside maybe h2h which Thorny reported about 20% proc on aftermath (maybe because its 2 hits on each rounds they made proc rate on h2h lower) the other empyreans are reported about 30-40% proc rate of ODD. There is no way that relics will beat that by only gaining access to emp's WSs.

On top of that Bravura will never look as cool as Ukonvasara :D

[Eleven19]

Why ppl think that if relics will have access to emp WS then they will be back on top? Beside maybe h2h which Thorny reported about 20% proc on aftermath (maybe because its 2 hits on each rounds they made proc rate on h2h lower) the other empyreans are reported about 30-40% proc rate of ODD. There is no way that relics will beat that by only gaining access to emp's WSs.

On top of that Bravura will never look as cool as Ukonvasara :D

Perhaps increase in the rate of 2.5x-3x proc damage, other than that the Acc/Att buffs are nice.

But yeah, you're right, going to need something else even with access to said WS's to make them worth the money spent now.

[FailureMidgard]

Why ppl think that if relics will have access to emp WS then they will be back on top? Beside maybe h2h which Thorny reported about 20% proc on aftermath (maybe because its 2 hits on each rounds they made proc rate on h2h lower) the other empyreans are reported about 30-40% proc rate of ODD. There is no way that relics will beat that by only gaining access to emp's WSs.

On top of that Bravura will never look as cool as Ukonvasara :D

Is there some proof of 40%? Seems closer to 20-25% for me (though I'm not gonna claim my guesswork is perfect)...also, blind speculation is kinda meh. Who knows what, if anything, will happen to relics. But you're ignoring 30acc, a different relic proc, and higher base damage (is it always only +1 for relic vs emp?). SE has tons of paths they can take, so who knows. Before Scars, I honestly didn't think Empyreans would shit on relics this hard...and look what happened. Now, I don't think SE is gonna bother to put relics back in the lead, but I'm obviously not psychic.

[Scrooge]

(is it always only +1 for relic vs emp?)

Nah. off the top of my head GAxe is 124 vs 122. Scythe is 130 vs 127. There's probably more.

[Atoreis]

Nah. off the top of my head GAxe is 124 vs 122. Scythe is 130 vs 127. There's probably more.

Yes but gaxe is 6 less daley and scythe is 10 less daley so dps on them (counting fSTR) is almost equal, tho its easier to xhit with relics I quess (but VV...)

Failure >>>
+30 acc is nice and Amano also has 2.5x proc so its a little better but Bravura is 2x proc so same as ODD.
Dont forgot about +10 STR too.
On the other hand you are 100% right, there is no reason to play Malacite and trying to quess whats happen so I will pass here

[Eleven19]

On the other hand you are 100% right, there is no reason to play Malacite and trying to quess whats happen so I will pass here

Indeed, though some of us are still quietly speculating, though mostly just hoping to ourselves~.

[Zag]

there is no reason to play Malacite and trying to quess whats happen so I will pass here

I LOLed. Thanks.

On the same token though. Empyreans take like 1 month to complete and that is also their trial at the same time. There is no wait time in abyssea if you have unlimited stones stocked up already and will be even easier to kill NMs at level 99. Could take up to 1 week to finish a weapon to its first form by then with unlimited stones.

Mythics still take over a year due to ampoules, nyzul tokens, assaults and the wait times to reenter those zones no matter what.

The best weapons in the game can take as earlier as 1 month to complete and they cost like 20mil to buy it compared to 200mil. People buy the x50 items for like 150k-300k a peice.

Question is,

-will the empyreans stop being upgradable at level 90 when the last add-on is added?
-Will the new level 99 Weaponskills completely obsolete mythic/relic/empyrean Weaponskills?
-Will relic get a tier 2 Weaponskill at lvl 99?
-Will x3 damage proc from relics occur at 20% of the time at level 99.
-Will Aegis and freaking ghorn be upgradable past level 75?

Any of these things can change relic over empyrean but we just have to wait and see. I just want ppl to think relics suck now so the currency can hit a huge blow lol.

[Scrooge]

People buy the x50 items for like 150k-300k a peice.

That statement is grossly misleading. People _try_ to buy upgrade items is more accurate. Unless something is seriously screwy with my server alone, I very much doubt anyone has managed to buy 50 of any one item. People do not generally sell them.

Out of the 100 upgrade items, I got maybe 7-8 from buying, and I offered more than 300k and spammed tells to any group with a title I could find. Also worth noting out of those few I did buy, the majority came right after Scars was released. As more and more info got publicized, I got less and less people interested in selling cause they realized, hey, this crap's not that hard to upgrade, why sell it to this jackass at all? At this point, I'd imagine it's even harder to buy them at all.

[Atoreis]

Tbh after I make Kannagi and Ukonvasara I highly doubt I will even want stronger weapons. Unless they will make mobs with 95% Dmage reduction or 1000000HP it wont matter if I kill mob in 1 min or 1 min 10sec lol.

Using Sekka +1 and Kamome + sv marches + gimp equip for jin + 25% haste in equip + berserker tonic + GH + RR atmas + fanatic drink I took Bria 50% hp in 55 sec. If that would be Kannagi and my set would be perfect it would probably be dead in that 55 sec so yeah...

[Malacite]

^ what the fuck? Is that solo or dual/tri-boxing? That's insane dude.

[Atoreis]

^ what the fuck? Is that solo or dual/tri-boxing? That's insane dude.

Thats not insane thats math put in practice.

Trio me NIN My friend RDM and our mule BRD.

[Appie]

Why ppl think that if relics will have access to emp WS then they will be back on top? Beside maybe h2h which Thorny reported about 20% proc on aftermath (maybe because its 2 hits on each rounds they made proc rate on h2h lower) the other empyreans are reported about 30-40% proc rate of ODD. There is no way that relics will beat that by only gaining access to emp's WSs.

On top of that Bravura will never look as cool as Ukonvasara :D

The only reason I think adding Emp WS to relic fixes the issue is because Motenten mathed it out on Zam:

Spharai w/SS+RR: 255.072 [Ascetic's Fury, Bison Steak]
Spharai w/SA+VV: 207.825 [Asuran Fists, Pizza +1, +2 Regain]
Spharai w/RR+VV: 257.334 [Asuran Fists, Bison Steak, +2 Regain] {316.344 w/Victory Smite}
Spharai w/SA+RR: 254.898 [Asuran Fists, Bison Steak]


Verethragna w/SS+RR: 301.848 [Victory Smite, Bison Steak] {246.819 w/Ascetic's Fury}
Verethragna w/SA+VV: 224.294 [Victory Smite, Pizza +1, +2 Regain]
Verethragna w/RR+VV: 307.139 [Victory Smite, Bison Steak, +2 Regain] {245.320 w/Asuran Fists}
Verethragna w/SA+RR: 296.285 [Victory Smite, Bison Steak]

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.htm...73063262473200

[Plow]

Not to mention spharai that tie or beat Vere in damage are miles and miles ahead of it all around.