Puppetmaster Changes

[Kametame]

Do ppl actually care how much damage PUP can do from lv10-55? BST can be decent DD at those levels once they get access to Call Beast, still doesn't make them a popular job.

Melee pet job is just a stupid concept and a complete failure in FFXI history. I rather SE take BST's axe skill away and give all the melee stats to their jugpet, at least they don't have to feed double amount of TP for the same amout of damage.

In situations where feeding TP is an issue, typical DDs wouldn't be running up to melee either. They would be using /SAM and running in to WS. Our "/SAM" comes in the form of Spiritreaver. Thanks to Magians, the three mini-expacs, and the Tranquilizer, we get enough Pet:M.Acc+ equip to barely get resisted at all.

[Demosthenes11]

In situations where feeding TP is an issue, typical DDs wouldn't be running up to melee either. They would be using /SAM and running in to WS.

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[Antithesis]

Like beating PLDs on parses on crawlers where RNGs cant.

Oh god lmao.

[Marcicus]

In situations where feeding TP is an issue, typical DDs wouldn't be running up to melee either. They would be using /SAM and running in to WS. Our "/SAM" comes in the form of Spiritreaver. Thanks to Magians, the three mini-expacs, and the Tranquilizer, we get enough Pet:M.Acc+ equip to barely get resisted at all.

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[Kametame]

Rather than giving me a couple of very sub-par image macros, tell me:

a) How adding one more DD when there's already 11 others feeding a NM tp makes any difference.

b)Why I am wrong in thinking that other DDs would not melee a mob where feeding TP matters.

[mdkuser]

Rather than giving me a couple of very sub-par image macros, tell me:

a) How adding one more DD when there's already 11 others feeding a NM tp makes any difference.

b)Why I am wrong in thinking that other DDs would not melee a mob where feeding TP matters.

doing one ws every 2:30 is very inefficient... so have mages not suck and DD melee.

[Dooom]

Do ppl actually care how much damage PUP can do from lv10-55? BST can be decent DD at those levels once they get access to Call Beast, still doesn't make them a popular job.

I don't especially care, but when someone is saying "well, pup is pretty awesome at low levels" and someone else says "no, other melee are getting 80% haste", then I'm gonna remind them about what levels we're talking about.

In situations where feeding TP is an issue, typical DDs wouldn't be running up to melee either. They would be using /SAM and running in to WS. Our "/SAM" comes in the form of Spiritreaver. Thanks to Magians, the three mini-expacs, and the Tranquilizer, we get enough Pet:M.Acc+ equip to barely get resisted at all.

Summoner says hi.

[Taruking]

Rather than giving me a couple of very sub-par image macros, tell me:

a) How adding one more DD when there's already 11 others feeding a NM tp makes any difference.

b)Why I am wrong in thinking that other DDs would not melee a mob where feeding TP matters.

No sane LS leader is going to bring 12 DDs to a fight where TP feeding matters. As long as your mage and tank don't suck, it should be ok to let 2 DDs build TP on HNM, and you want melee jobs that can deal a lot of damage without feeding too much TP at the same time. i.e. 2xSAM on Nidhogg to make skillchain, not 2x PUP + silly automatons feeding TP to wipe the whole alliance.

SMN is the most successful pet job in this game because BPs don't feed TP and it doesn't require the master to melee for damage. Frankly PUP will be 10x more useful if SE simply give them a sizable innate MP pools and some Conserve MP/Clear Mind traits. Raising H2H skill to B+ has very little impact on PUP's role in endgame activities.

[pchan]

No sane LS leader is going to bring 12 DDs to a fight where TP feeding matters. As long as your mage and tank don't suck

Funny how idiots still make a difference bewteen tanks and dds.

[Taruking]

Funny how idiots still make a difference bewteen tanks and dds.

Funny how idiots still think they don't need a tank.

Don't make stupid comment until your LS is completely rid of PLD.

[Shinryuu]

My LS is completely rid of PLD.

Hi.

[pchan]

Funny how idiots still think they don't need a tank.

Don't make stupid comment until your LS is completely rid of PLD.

I do need a tank, monk is a tank, THF is a tank. If you want less TP spam you don't chose X DD over Y DD, you choose your remove one DD and have everyone sub ninjar at least. You're doing it wrong since 2002.

[Malacite]

I do need a tank, monk is a tank, THF is a tank. If you want less TP spam you don't chose X DD over Y DD, you choose your remove one DD and have everyone sub ninjar at least. You're doing it wrong since 2002.

Makes me wonder if Abyssia and the level 80+ content will just shit all over this notion :O

[pchan]

Makes me wonder if Abyssia and the level 80+ content will just shit all over this notion :O

They said you could solo it ... I doubt it will will require anything different than salvage or assult.

[ZhiGaruda]

They said you could solo it ... I doubt it will will require anything different than salvage or assult.

They also think AV is kill-able in 2 hours

[Kametame]

No sane LS leader is going to bring 12 DDs to a fight where TP feeding matters. As long as your mage and tank don't suck, it should be ok to let 2 DDs build TP on HNM, and you want melee jobs that can deal a lot of damage without feeding too much TP at the same time. i.e. 2xSAM on Nidhogg to make skillchain, not 2x PUP + silly automatons feeding TP to wipe the whole alliance.

SMN is the most successful pet job in this game because BPs don't feed TP and it doesn't require the master to melee for damage. Frankly PUP will be 10x more useful if SE simply give them a sizable innate MP pools and some Conserve MP/Clear Mind traits. Raising H2H skill to B+ has very little impact on PUP's role in endgame activities.

Good PUPs should know what to use in different situations. Unfortunately, the reason why I would go to Nidhogg as SMN over PUP would be due to a combination of things.


- A TP sensitive situation would prompt sitting back and using Spiritreaver.

- SE is a bunch of morons for having Spiritreaver prioritize Drain/Aspir over nukes at <75% HP/MP respectively.

- Given the fact that Nidhogg does have regain, he will wing often.

- There's no place anyone could be within the pit where Hurricane Wing does not reach. Even if there was, pulling hate while being out of Nidhogg's reach would be fatal to the alliance.

Biggest hindrance in bold.

[Tsuko_Asura]

No sane LS leader is going to bring 12 DDs to a fight where TP feeding matters. As long as your mage and tank don't suck, it should be ok to let 2 DDs build TP on HNM, and you want melee jobs that can deal a lot of damage without feeding too much TP at the same time. i.e. 2xSAM on Nidhogg to make skillchain, not 2x PUP + silly automatons feeding TP to wipe the whole alliance.

You would pick one of the best examples of something that is silly to use paladin on.

[konoko]

Funny how idiots still make a difference bewteen tanks and dds.

Funny how your still a complete douchebag and an unrepentant idiot.

After the update pup is amazing in merits, i ran an ls merit party the other day, one person came pup. no one beat his pup in the parse, and we were killing so fast that even with only 1 DD roll, Exp Roll, and pulling from below we still ran out of birds which lost us our chain a couple times.

Your DD will not always have 60%+haste from gear/buffs. especially when spaces in a party are limited, or you have limited manpower.

If you want to theorycraft about best possible situations and how that makes pup less than other dd's go ahead. but keep your condescending attitude and perfect scenario's out of threads where people are trying to actually get some real information.

[Tsuko_Asura]

Bullshit. If any of your DD can't hit at least 64% haste against merit mobs, you either need to kick their asses out, or stop making retarded merit setups.

[Demosthenes11]

I do need a tank, monk is a tank, THF is a tank. If you want less TP spam you don't chose X DD over Y DD, you choose your remove one DD and have everyone sub ninjar at least. You're doing it wrong since 2002.

your monk and thf can tank hnms?
hate to say this, but cool story bro.

some of us fight mobs higher than level 80