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[Tsuko_Asura]

..Even if it were possible, what is the point of all this?

[LinktheDeme]

..Even if it were possible, what is the point of all this?

Just that I don't see how it theoretically could not be done, which I thought was the debate? Though its never likely nor worth the time to do it obviously

[Dooom]

..Even if it were possible, what is the point of all this?

I don't know, I'm beginning to think it's just to give us all headaches. Anyone can tank a mob with slow2 and elegy on the mob, haste and 2x march on themselves, and thfs TAing them. It means nothing. The "real" test of tanks is if it has a chance of surviving without such an assload of buffs, enfeebs, and outside-generated hate.

[Tsuko_Asura]

I guess <_<;

Just seems like a whole lot of work just to walk a few steps backwards, lol

[Demosthenes11]

So that was your argument against monk ¿ You can't find a LS that kills fafnir with less than 12 gimps, therefore monk can't tank it ? I bet I could tank any hnm on PUP with double march with thieves trick attacking me ...

for a while I was thinking maybe it was good to have you around.
But you really are retarded.

[LinktheDeme]

for a while I was thinking maybe it was good to have you around.
But you really are retarded.

It was funny how he stole my theoretical situation and instantly tried to apply it to a real one though

[Damane]

I don't know, I'm beginning to think it's just to give us all headaches. Anyone can tank a mob with slow2 and elegy on the mob, haste and 2x march on themselves, and thfs TAing them. It means nothing. The "real" test of tanks is if it has a chance of surviving without such an assload of buffs, enfeebs, and outside-generated hate.

wasnt his point that DD tanks are way more efficient on everything?

[Draylo]

Yes DD tanks on Ouryu.

[Tsuko_Asura]

wasnt his point that DD tanks are way more efficient on everything?

Well, for the most part, they are. Just not monk.

If expecting at least Haste, double-March, Slow, Elegy, and Paralyze(the latter three when applicable, of course) is outlandish, you should really reconsider your linkshell roster.

[Damane]

Well, for the most part, they are. Just not monk.

If expecting at least Haste, double-March, Slow, Elegy, and Paralyze(the latter three when applicable, of course) is outlandish, you should really reconsider your linkshell roster.

its about the "everything", I know DDs can tank alot of stuff, hell I tanked Faf as War/nin, but some things are better left for real tanks like PLD NIN or RDM.

[Cream Soda]

Bullshit. If any of your DD can't hit at least 64% haste against merit mobs, you either need to kick their asses out, or stop making retarded merit setups.

hey, f u

[Tsuko_Asura]

its about the "everything", I know DDs can tank alot of stuff, hell I tanked Faf as War/nin, but some things are better left for real tanks like PLD NIN or RDM.

Nothing is better left to a paladin or ninja, and the list of things best left to a red mage dwindles down further and further

[Tsuko_Asura]

hey, f u

Like you ever merit on monk

[Cream Soda]

Like you ever merit on monk

I do if it's mamools. I only sam or drg to birds yo.

[Tsuko_Asura]

I do if it's mamools. I only sam or drg to birds yo.

I do if it's mamools.

if it's mamools.

mamools.

mamools.

mamools.

Found your problem

[pchan]

Found your problem

What are you doing when you don't have both birds camps free ? Both MMj and birds camp suck, one because it's overcamped the other because it's bad exp. Do like me and trio 25k/h (on a bad day) on imps on mnk, a non fail job (with thf and rdm ~).

[Tsuko_Asura]

As long as your party is capable of keeping chain off wivres, people really shouldn't have an issue with one level of birds.

[Cream Soda]

Found your problem

I'll take em if I need to buffer mnk rly. Even w/o a capped buff on mnk and capped buff on drg and sam, I'd still go one of those 2 jobs to birds just for the parsing aspect.

[Demosthenes11]

What are you doing when you don't have both birds camps free ? Both MMj and birds camp suck, one because it's overcamped the other because it's bad exp. Do like me and trio 25k/h (on a bad day) on imps on mnk, a non fail job (with thf and rdm ~).

be like me and dont waste your time by meriting on anything but smn. lolfailjobs

[konoko]

Bullshit. If any of your DD can't hit at least 64% haste against merit mobs, you either need to kick their asses out, or stop making retarded merit setups.

Yes because 18% haste from equipment (minimum i expect from anyone) 10% from hasso, and 15% from Haste (spell) = 64% haste? not everyone gets a bard in every party, most bards either suck and give 2 minuets, or minuet+march and even then your getting another 11% for a total of 54% haste. I normally merit on corsair which is more than enough buffs to completely clear every bird on the middle camp + 3 from the lower camp every 5 minutes.

of course i get cor+brd parties when i have the option too. but not every party is perfect, when you can hit 64%haste without bard i would love to see it.