Puppetmaster Changes

[Cream Soda]

not everyone gets a bard in every party

Drop party

most bards either suck and give 2 minuets, or minuet+march

Leader?: Kick bard, get a new one
Not leader?: Drop party

without bard

Covered this already

[konoko]

^ is an idiot.

[Cream Soda]

I'm not the one who let's bards leech my meirit pts just because they're bards.

[Tsuko_Asura]

There's no point in meriting without a bard. If that's the best counter-argument you've got, this discussion is over.

[Demosthenes11]

i think you are more of an idiot for sitting in 9k/hour merit pts with no brd lol

time waste ->

[konoko]

Tsuko Asura is also an idiot.

Edit: 30k an hour without a bard in merit parties, this is 2010 not 2006

[Demosthenes11]

ya

edit: no you asshole you said me first

[Taruking]

Salvage uses melee tanks because of pathos restriction. Low man Hydra uses melee tanks for obvious reason. There is absolutely no good reason to use melee tanks if you have the manpower.

It's just simple logic. The number of melee you can put on HNM in a non zerg fight is limited, when DDs are tanking HNMs it will invariably affect their melee performance. If you have the right number of ppl at your disposal, it's always safer to bring a proper tank to keep Nidhogg busy and let your 2 SAM focus on dealing damage instead of juggling between PDT gear/WS gear and risk getting hit by Absolute Terror.

[Cream Soda]

You forgot an idiot in your idiot listing. Konoko

[konoko]

Sorry.

You are all idiots.

[Cream Soda]

idiots that get better exp than you do

[konoko]

Unlikely in the extreme.

[Tsuko_Asura]

Salvage uses melee tanks because of pathos restriction. Low man Hydra uses melee tanks for obvious reason. There is absolutely no good reason to use melee tanks if you have the manpower.

It's just simple logic. The number of melee you can put on HNM in a non zerg fight is limited, when DDs are tanking HNMs it will invariably affect their melee performance. If you have the right number of ppl at your disposal, it's always safer to bring a proper tank to keep Nidhogg busy and let your 2 SAM focus on dealing damage instead of juggling between PDT gear/WS gear and risk getting hit by Absolute Terror.

What? Unless you're fighting something with absolutely no debuffs, or you yourself have no buffs, there's no reason for a SAM/NIN to be "juggling PDT gear" outside of terror, and that SAM/NIN, while doing less damage than they could be, is still doing more damage than a PLD.

[Taruking]

What? Unless you're fighting something with absolutely no debuffs, or you yourself have no buffs, there's no reason for a SAM/NIN to be "juggling PDT gear" outside of terror, and that SAM/NIN, while doing less damage than they could be, is still doing more damage than a PLD.

Yeah because your SAM can do better damage subbing NIN + keeping shadow up?

Absolute Terror = all buff and food gone. Why do you want to put your SAM through the misery if you have the right number of ppl? Get ur PLD to hold hate and let your SAM focus on DDing.

[Tsuko_Asura]

Yeah because your SAM can do better damage subbing NIN + keeping shadow up?

Absolute Terror = all buff and food gone. Why do you want to put your SAM through the misery if you have the right number of ppl? Get ur PLD to hold hate and let your SAM focus on DDing.

Why is this a difficult concept?

Tanking-samurai deal more damage than tanking-paladin, regardless of how many people you have at an event.

[Taruking]

Why is this a difficult concept?

Tanking-samurai deal more damage than tanking-paladin, regardless of how many people you have at an event.

Are you really that thick?

[Tsuko_Asura]

Do I need to draw you a diagram?

Go to an event with 17 SAM/WAR and a PLD/NIN, assuming PLD/NIN keeps hate perfectly and the 17 SAM/WAR can go all-out the entire time.

Go to an event with 17 SAM/WAR and a SAM/NIN, assuming the SAM/NIN keeps hate perfectly and the 17 SAM/WAR can go all-out the entire time.

Which setup is going to deal more fucking damage?

[Demosthenes11]

Are you really that thick?

lets say you have 15 people, 5 of which are support, 4 blms.
(a)having 6 DDs will do more damage than 5
you have 5 if you make one a tank.
If the 6 DDs can tank the mob, the mob will die quicker because of (a)

[Taruking]

Do I need to draw you a diagram?

Go to an event with 17 SAM/WAR and a PLD/NIN, assuming PLD/NIN keeps hate perfectly and the 17 SAM/WAR can go all-out the entire time.

Go to an event with 17 SAM/WAR and a SAM/NIN, assuming the SAM/NIN keeps hate perfectly and the 17 SAM/WAR can go all-out the entire time.

Which setup is going to deal more fucking damage?

The real question is can you actually put 17 SAM on Nidhogg?

Read my post again, pay attention to word like "non zerg", "TP feeding".

[Tsuko_Asura]

Oh for fuck's sake..

Fine. You have a party of six.

PLD/NIN, SAM, SAM, BRD, WHM, BLM

SAM/NIN, SAM, SAM, BRD, WHM, BLM

Which one is going to kill Fafnir faster?

Edit: Removed clutter.