Puppetmaster Changes

[Taruking]

Oh for fuck's sake..

Fine. You have a party of six.

PLD/NIN, SAM, SAM, BRD, WHM, BLM

SAM/NIN, SAM, SAM, BRD, WHM, BLM

Which one is going to kill Fafnir faster?

Edit: Removed clutter.

How about PLD/NIN, SAM/NINx3 BRD, WHM, BLM?

There are a limited number of DD you can put on Nidhogg before it exceed your mage's ability to handle TP moves. In that case, the only way to further improve the performance of you party is to bring a proper tank to hold hate.

[Demosthenes11]

How about PLD/NIN, SAM/NINx3 BRD, WHM, BLM?

There are a limited number of DD you can put on Nidhogg before it exceed your mage's ability to handle TP moves. In that case, the only way to further improve the performance of you party is to bring a proper tank to hold hate.

dude you are so far from finding the point I think you are looking on a sphere

[miokomioko]

So... how about them changes to Puppetmaster?

[Tsuko_Asura]

How about PLD/NIN, SAM/NINx3 BRD, WHM, BLM?

There are a limited number of DD you can put on Nidhogg before it exceed your mage's ability to handle TP moves. In that case, the only way to further improve the performance of you party is to bring a proper tank to hold hate.

Have you ever fought Fafnir before? Hurricane Wing is not threatening, and its even more of a joke with Cura.

Regardless, an average-equipped Joyeuse-PLD is going to give your target 100+ TP in less than 30 seconds. Stop talking about things that you don't understand.

[Draylo]

So... how about them changes to Puppetmaster?

What is Puppetmaster?

[Malacite]

Serious question - Why isn't this more about the recent upgrades to PUP, how awesome they are, and how best they can be used instead of a PUP vs <insert job here> flame fest/e-peen waving fight?

[miokomioko]

Because every time a PUP gets a boner over anything they can accomplish or any parse they won, every condescending asshole crawls out of the woodwork to take a fat dump on their parade.

[Ksandra]

keep this thread to pup talk onry, or I start giving infractions

[Toth]

Serious question - Why isn't this more about the recent upgrades to PUP, how awesome they are, and how best they can be used instead of a PUP vs <insert job here> flame fest/e-peen waving fight?

Because people underestimate PUP and feel threatened by a job that can do so many things well? Us old school PUPs have learned to just let these arguments slide.

[Kametame]

Because people underestimate PUP and feel threatened by a job that can do so many things well? Us old school PUPs have learned to just let these arguments slide.

To let them slide means to let misinformation continue. However, this shouldn't be the thread for that. Back to PUPdate we go.

The stat boost per maneuver seems to grow by +1 every 15 levels. So by that estimate, we'll have +7/+14/+21 base / +8/+16/+24 with AF hands at 90.

Has anyone figured out the change to the Armor Plates? Maybe they added in some innate -PDT to them...

[Meian]

Because every time a PUP gets a boner over anything they can accomplish or any parse they won, every condescending asshole crawls out of the woodwork to take a fat dump on their parade.

Pretty much. I try to not to reveal anything unless it was something that wasn't really shown yet or to give some encouragement.

The condescending bashing is rather childish but so is the high-mightiness being put on by some of the PUPs here which isn't helping them at all.

Anyway...

Tried having Valoredge tank before they fixed whatever was wrong with Equalizer on Campaign non-boss quadav. Was ok but didn't work out too well in the end. Earth/Wind/Dark manuevers were up at the time. Wonder if it'll be better now with Equalizer "fixed"

[miokomioko]

I haven't really seen any real noticeable difference in battle regarding attachments except for the potency of Regen and Refresh pieces. Those are much more useful now.

I believe Besieged is still broken in the sense that every damn mob will aggro your Automaton no matter what it does (or doesn't do).

[Kametame]

Pretty much. I try to not to reveal anything unless it was something that wasn't really shown yet or to give some encouragement.

The condescending bashing is rather childish but so is the high-mightiness being put on by some of the PUPs here which isn't helping them at all.

Anyway...

Tried having Valoredge tank before they fixed whatever was wrong with Equalizer on Campaign non-boss quadav. Was ok but didn't work out too well in the end. Earth/Wind/Dark manuevers were up at the time. Wonder if it'll be better now with Equalizer "fixed"

The thing that they "fixed" with the equalizer was that if the automaton took more than 10x damage than its max HP; it would've wound up taking 0 damage due to the damage reduction formula. In practice, it meant that a level 1 automaton would've been able to straight tank anything and everything 75+ as those mobs would wind up doing 0 damage to it.

[Malacite]

keep this thread to pup talk onry, or I start giving infractions

Thank you. My PUP is only 44 and idk how high I'll take it but I enjoy learning what I can about every job in the game ^^


Also photobucket fails hard, can't see the pics guy.

[Psion]

It looks like automaton ranged attacks don't ignore Pdif or level correction or whatever, since Oniwaka was shooting for 0 damage on the Zvahl Fortalices with no maneuvers at level 32 and 76 ranged skill. When I got 3 fire maneuvers up with attuner and tension spring II though, he managed to shoot for 23 damage, 6 damage with 2 maneuvers. Oh well, not like sharpshots used on HNMs anyways, so not a big deal.

[Seanr]

The thing that they "fixed" with the equalizer was that if the automaton took more than 10x damage than its max HP; it would've wound up taking 0 damage due to the damage reduction formula. In practice, it meant that a level 1 automaton would've been able to straight tank anything and everything 75+ as those mobs would wind up doing 0 damage to it.

serus? I must try this for shits and giggles somehow...

[Kametame]

serus? I must try this for shits and giggles somehow...

It used to do that, not anymore, most likely.

[Seanr]

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[Norellicus]

Because every time a PUP gets a boner over anything they can accomplish or any parse they won, every condescending asshole crawls out of the woodwork to take a fat dump on their parade.

Pretty sure that's a two way street, the amount of egotism I'm seeing from some of the PUPs re: how much more awesome they are than everyone else is pretty irritating and I'd want to douse it too if I actually cared.

[Kyte]

I don't know about that; I think the so-called egotism is more so just exaggerated by the fact that there are so few people who take the job seriously.

Then again, people who constantly feel the need to prove themselves due to playing a job that many don't care for are kind of annoying.