Puppetmaster Changes

[LinktheDeme]

as for parse I dont look at total dmg. I know how flawed that is. I look at my avgs I do for myself w/o comparison to others. That to me is more accurate since you can see your real increases in action and not on paper.

Average damage is just as flawed as total damage. You're average damage is going to go up or down depending again on the support of the party, and how much damage the rest of your party is contributing in terms of damage.

If your doing it on average damage per mob, it is going to vary SIGNIFICANTLY on how much damage other people are doing to the mob

If you are doing it on an average time interval (which I have not seen a parser do but I haven't parsed in a while) it will vary on times in between engaging monsters. If it takes longer for the puller to pull and etc.

[azagarth]

veg get over your butt hurt about my shens seriously..... There is no requirement to have them beyond killing PW. I had difficult time getting my 2nd BB, so what? I have it now so it doesnt even matter. I could knock you for being a gimp too, I can remember when I had gear you only dreamed of and had to listen to your pointless praises posts about you soloing serket and shit.... while using retarded gear choices. I never act a fool and bring that up though do I? Unless your buying accounts you don't start with perfect gear.

With that said I love when people start on the grammar train on the interwebz. If your really that cool to like editing posts and all, I have stacks of papers you can grade for me from the class I teach at my university.

[azagarth]

Average damage is just as flawed as total damage. You're average damage is going to go up or down depending again on the support of the party, and how much damage the rest of your party is contributing in terms of damage.

If your doing it on average damage per mob, it is going to vary SIGNIFICANTLY on how much damage other people are doing to the mob

If you are doing it on an average time interval (which I have not seen a parser do but I haven't parsed in a while) it will vary on times in between engaging monsters. If it takes longer for the puller to pull and etc.

No simply I look at per fist dmg. Its easy to know roughly your dps is you know what your fist really are hitting since delay is so easy to compute.

Its not perfect, but at least it lets me know what really happens, and not what is expected. I guess it come from my job where we test theories and not just blindly accept them.....

[Cream Soda]

veg get over your butt hurt about my shens seriously.....

Not really butt hurt, just funny when I can parse circles around people with gear that should allow them to be better.

I can remember when I had gear you only dreamed of

And with all of this "dream" gear, you still can't put it to use worth a fuck.


Lol did you just go on about how you're a teacher? You should step your shit up then. I hope you don't knock off points on a student's paper when your grammar is no better than theirs.

[azagarth]

Not really butt hurt, just funny when I can parse circles around people with gear that should allow them to be better.

And with all of this "dream" gear, you still can't put it to use worth a fuck.


Lol did you just go on about how you're a teacher? You should step your shit up then. I hope you don't knock off points on a student's paper when your grammar is no better than theirs.

news flash, we would probably parse about equal ( if you want this is my current tp set, obviously needs some upgrades but I play once a week tops now so meh lol http://www.ffxiah.com/item_sets.php?id=122864 ). You may not like me on the forums but ingame I am aggressive and rarely lose any parse. Thats why I always pick player and not the job... rather have an aggressive "pup gasp" then some dork polearm sam who thinks askar is the way to go (been troublesome since seraph got here, had got lots to stop in few years I been on bis but now there is just to many).

Meh not an english or writing class. I could care less about those subjects and when I write on the interwebs I dont put to much time into it, no real point. Only when I actually have some benefit will I put time into it, aka when I am writing up paper for journal publications and conference talks and what nots. Oh also I don't grade on grammar or spelling... most people can't spell well and its not really fair to doc points off papers with real substance in thought. Again theres a point where it can be to much, but normally people only need 60% of a word to recognize it. For ex mpl can u re d th s? While it may be hard if you had that on a paper you could easily tell what it says.

btw veg i love interweb fighting with you ;D I got to head out now but i will be back in awhile to continue with you if you would like....

[Cream Soda]

news flash, we would probably parse about equal

l.o.l.

[Antithesis]

Nominating Azagarth for fucktard of the year.

[Dakana]

Have any pups gotten the Magian OAT weapon? Is it worth getting? And also what’s the order for best to worse for endgame weapons (and where one could be situationaly better)

Also as a general question I've just gotten pup to 75 and have enough armor and merits that I'm taking it to endgame events now. What frames do you general use on what mobs/events?

~Thanks

[bigpapi]

veg stop being jealous of a sub-par noob Shenlong's :D

[Cream Soda]

veg stop being jealous of a sub-par noob Shenlong's :D

Still got the bossest sig, i see.

[Meian]

How I would like a way to compare my own MNK to my own PUP in a parse seeing as both are geared "decently" (minus fuma; was geared in the days Dune was "thought" to be better) with my rarest item being Barbossa on PUP and I guess I don't have such one on MNK (would guess enkidu/black belt/usukane being considered rare for MNK which would also be for PUP).

I agree with the earlier poster regarding PUP shines pretty well among the second tier DD that isn't capable of abusing Hasso so long as said party/nm wasn't aoe spam happy/resistant to magic... VNM tier 3 comes to mind -_-

The most jobs capable of abusing Hasso and better geared seem to put the gap greater compared to the second tier DD. I am not bashing in any sorts it is just the fact under normal circumstances but there will be others where some jobs like PUP and BLU can be successful as comparable to the first tier DD (although these aren't common). Support buffs help the higher DD users more so than many other jobs that can't take advantage of them (pet jobs especially, BLU {circumstantial, see: Cannonball}). Not to mention they are fairly important for higher defensive mobs leaving some other jobs to figure different ways to fight (again, Cannonball example; not sure how DNC would work).

As for MNK being a second tier DD... I disagree. Granted, I never parsed a zerg/tp burn before with my MNK vs other jobs. As for XP parties, I get mixed results but seem fairly even with Hasso jobs with even gear for the most part unless I push ahead because of badly geared people or those afraid to lose food by getting hate {explains why I get hate often on PUP on birds sometimes...}

Have any pups gotten the Magian OAT weapon? Is it worth getting? And also what’s the order for best to worse for endgame weapons (and where one could be situationaly better)

Also as a general question I've just gotten pup to 75 and have enough armor and merits that I'm taking it to endgame events now. What frames do you general use on what mobs/events?

~Thanks

This was answered in the Magian topic I think where they mention the OAT doesn't work on the second fist making it close to Wagh. I could be paraphrasing wrong so have a look at the thread to be sure (or someone else answers).

Which is good news if that is the case so I can consider doing sword for BLU... didn't realize SMN staffs didn't need the VNM drops to upgrade so that is pretty appealing too.


In honest truth they need to make it so we can decide what WS we want. I really dislike wasting a Dark Manuever just to use Cannibal Blade when I could use Fire for the extra STR and boost in attack attachments/attuner or the very least make Bone Crusher more appealing. The INT boost to add +21 with 3 Ice Manuevers was impressive and am thankful for it but felt the boost needed to be elsewhere; not to mention having seperate timers on spells for them. Perhaps in the future updates with level increase (*dread*) they'll add more WSes that proc on appropriate element manuvers such as Fire for Valoredge just as Wind works for Sharpshot.

If doing manuevers really does slow down melee speed to the degree you all seem to mention, makes me wonder if they'll increase the duration of them someday or have them be turned off manually...

[Toth]

I'm seeing a lot of assuming in this thread. You assume that a well geared PUP will always be paired with an equally well-geared MNK for PUP to get outparsed. Not going to happen with any serious frequency tbh.

Look, PUP IS stronger now and can now do more to help kill many end game mobs faster. That's really the bottom line. If MNK can do the job 5% faster, whoopee. The fact remains that PUP can now eat pizzas on HNMs effectively and for better returns and many sexy Stringing Pummels.

BTW May I ask why people who parse always seem to be the winners? I have a sneaky suspicion that most of the time no one else knows they are being parsed against and that this may give an unfair advantage to the parser.

[Sho]

BTW May I ask why people who parse always seem to be the winners? I have a sneaky suspicion that most of the time no one else knows they are being parsed against and that this may give an unfair advantage to the parser.

Hate parsing for the very reason. Not only that, there's just too many factors in parsing that throws numbers off sometimes.

[Norellicus]

Meh not an english or writing class. I could care less about those subjects and when I write on the interwebs I dont put to much time into it, no real point. Only when I actually have some benefit will I put time into it, aka when I am writing up paper for journal publications and conference talks and what nots. Oh also I don't grade on grammar or spelling... most people can't spell well and its not really fair to doc points off papers with real substance in thought. Again theres a point where it can be to much, but normally people only need 60% of a word to recognize it. For ex mpl can u re d th s? While it may be hard if you had that on a paper you could easily tell what it says.

And you wonder why you got plunged below the filter on alla all the time

[Cream Soda]

BTW May I ask why people who parse always seem to be the winners? I have a sneaky suspicion that most of the time no one else knows they are being parsed against and that this may give an unfair advantage to the parser.

Should put forth your max effort every time, and this wouldn't be a problem. Plus w/ th enumber of parses I've done over the years, everyone should already know that I parse basically everything.

[LinktheDeme]

BTW May I ask why people who parse always seem to be the winners? I have a sneaky suspicion that most of the time no one else knows they are being parsed against and that this may give an unfair advantage to the parser.

If you're not performing 100% all the time those people should gtfo of my exp pt/event pt(skill up and not so serious stuff iz ok). People shouldn't have to be parented so they can perform at their max.

A person not performing at their max when they join a pt is no better than a person with shitty gear and should not be treated any differently. These kind of people make me kill baby kittens when the gear they have could actually be put to use rather than make up for the fact that they're sucking dick. (Unless like they had some unusual circumstance as to why they couldn't and jerking it does not count)

edit: damn you cream and your power being back on

[Kyte]

I could care less about those subjects and when I write on the interwebs I dont put to much time into it, no real point. Only when I actually have some benefit will I put time into it, aka when I am writing up paper for journal publications and conference talks and what nots.

What do you teach? o.O;

If I had to guess, something business related.

[Demosthenes11]

news flash, we would probably parse about equal ( if you want this is my current tp set, obviously needs some upgrades but I play once a week tops now so meh lol http://www.ffxiah.com/item_sets.php?id=122864 ).

I'm late to the party but LOL

looking forward to how pup does with level cap increase

[Toth]

If you're not performing 100% all the time those people should gtfo of my exp pt/event pt(skill up and not so serious stuff iz ok). People shouldn't have to be parented so they can perform at their max.

A person not performing at their max when they join a pt is no better than a person with shitty gear and should not be treated any differently. These kind of people make me kill baby kittens when the gear they have could actually be put to use rather than make up for the fact that they're sucking dick. (Unless like they had some unusual circumstance as to why they couldn't and jerking it does not count)

edit: damn you cream and your power being back on

While you make a good point here, I have seen many incidents where someone trying to parse and win get reckless and gets themselves killed, then turns off the parser. And no, Im not just talking about Vegetto. Sometimes, performing at your max and then some can have harmful consequences for your party. Personally, I always look at time killed per mob, damage sustained by the party, and ability to maintain the chain with minimal downtime as indicative of how well the players work with each other. More so than a parse.

[ronin sparthos]

If you're not performing 100% all the time those people should gtfo of my exp pt/event pt(skill up and not so serious stuff iz ok). People shouldn't have to be parented so they can perform at their max.

A person not performing at their max when they join a pt is no better than a person with shitty gear and should not be treated any differently. These kind of people make me kill baby kittens when the gear they have could actually be put to use rather than make up for the fact that they're sucking dick. (Unless like they had some unusual circumstance as to why they couldn't and jerking it does not count)

edit: damn you cream and your power being back on

So you're saying the person running the parser doesn't have an advantage over someone who just happens to be in the party because they should "be playing at max" anyway? I know FFXI to some is a math game but humans still play the game and humans aren't so cut 'n dry.

I want to use a shitty analogy here..... really I do.... but i'll refrain from the stupids.

Anywho, the person running the parse is going to be more aggressive/reckless because they know they are being recorded while the other members of the party may be playing more conservatively for whatever reason. Call it ego defense but when people hear "im parsing this" playstyle changes and cocks start to inflate because you know someone is recording.

Now a parse where a mage is running it and all the DD are unaware? A better "competition" if we're gonna strictly label the winner as who does the most damage which isn't even really a gauge of a good player either.