Final Form Magian Weapons

[Atoreis]

Well I bet 5 hits when oat stacks with da (when one proc other cant) that 5 hits is probably counting kick as 5th attack.

I would be realy happy to get confirmation on 2 things:
1. Is, after update, OAT magian h2h proc on Footwork
2. If Kick attack can occur with OAT attack from Magian h2h under Footwork
which would make you hit 3 times and with 2-3 magian h2h 4 times.

[Darkmagi]

There has been confirmation of footwork still procing on wargfangs after update right? Just want to make sure I'm not wasting my time upgrading OaThrice Ursine claws.

[Atoreis]

There has been confirmation of footwork still procing on wargfangs after update right? Just want to make sure I'm not wasting my time upgrading OaThrice Ursine claws.

I realy want to see that confirmation also cuz everyone seems to somehow take it as 100%.

[Aero]

How often are you /nin and casting those?lol

I think the real question is why aren't your BRDs casting threnody?

[Darkmagi]

I think the real question is why aren't your BRDs casting threnody?

/nin. Hi reading is hard. When will a BRD be /nin and need to be using threnody?

[Kalisa]

Has there been any info on the magic acc daggers anywhere?
If they can get over 15+ magic acc per dagger i might consider dual wielding em for threnodies on brd to save invo space.

MAcc daggers get up to +12 at 80.

[Motenten]

kevanff on Alla, who had the OATs before the update, has confirmed they still work with Footwork. He has completed the OA2-3 weapons, but still needs to reach level 80 to test them.

There has been no indication that they stack with DA the way jailer weapons do. Since he's had to kill ~1000 extra mobs for the trials, I would have expected to hear something from him if he saw any oddities in that regard.

Also, kicks under Footwork are just an extension of standard DA mechanics when in that mode. As such, you should only ever get a max of 2 attacks per round when using the OATs, and a max of 3 per round when using the OA2-3, if using Footwork. Similarly, a max of 5 per round (two punches, each DA'd, plus kick) for OATs in normal mode, and a max of 7 with the OA2-3. I'm going with that until there's any sort of reliable indication that this is -not- the case.

[CDF]

kevanff had the proper skepticism. It was other retarded shit-talk.

[Araelus]

This info may be copied to BGwiki if appropriate. I gathered this information myself by trading the Magian Moogle just now, an hour ago before my system got Thundaga IV'd. Please don't just copypasta it. If I'm going to be taking screenshots, typing out the information, etc., it's specifically for the benefit of BGforums/wiki. Thanks.

For those who haven't gotten to see the new Weaponskill Final Magian paths, here are some options for you. I just went and clicked through all the menus to get this info. Some of these weapons are probably garbage, some are not.

The paths are always
specific WSx100 vs. any monster type
specific WSx200 vs. any monster type
specific WSx300 vs. specific mobs

Then pick one of two trials to complete the weapon.
(option 1) "specific WSx500" trial, perform the listed weapon skill 500 times vs. specific mobs
(option 2) "any WSx800" trial, perform any 800 weapon skills with the trial weapon vs. specific mobs

The "WSx500" trials result in WS+10% damage, only for that WS you did five hundred times.

The "WSx800" trials result in Store TP+ and have slightly lower DMG values.

The exceptions to this trend are the Dagger, where both final versions have the same DMG,
and the Great Katana, where the Tachi: Kasha +10% version has 2 less DMG than the Store TP+ version.

Dunno why these exceptions exist, but it's nice for Samurai. I already made the 91DMG STP+5 Great Kanata, so I could not review [Trial 1598], thus it is not listed below.

For your perusal:

Hand-to-Hand
Barracudas - MNK/PUP
[Trial 1195] Backhand Blow x100
[Trial 1196] Spinning Attack x200
[Trial 1197] Howling Fist x300 vs. Vermin
[Trial 1198] or [Trial 1199]

[Trial 1198] Dragon Kick x500 vs. Lizards
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4134/...6dc5a227_o.png

[Trial 1199] any Hand-to-Hand WS x800 vs. Aquans
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4073/...4d9d2e58_o.png



Dagger
Fusetto - THF/BRD/DNC
[Trial 1133] Shadowstitch x100
[Trial 1134] Viper Bite x200
[Trial 1135] Cyclone x300 vs. Beasts
[Trial 1136] or [Trial 1137]

[Trial 1136] Evisceration x500 vs. Plantoids
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4100/...3d0bda75_o.png

[Trial 1137] any Dagger WS x800 vs. Vermin
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4123/...f4222ba6_o.png



Sword
Machaera - RDM/PLD/BLU
[Trial 1241] Burning Blade x100
[Trial 1242] Shining Blade x200
[Trial 1243] Circle Blade x300 vs. Birds
[Trial 1244] or [Trial 1245]

[Trial 1244] Savage Blade x500 vs. Beasts
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4101/...1a79f376_o.png

[Trial 1245] any Sword WS x800 vs. Arcana
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4079/...17b64190_o.png



Great Sword
Kalavejs - PLD/DRK
[Trial 1287] Freezebite x100
[Trial 1288] Shockwave x200
[Trial 1289] Sickle Moon x300 vs. Plantoids
[Trial 1290] or [Trial 1291]

[Trial 1290] Ground Strike x500 vs. Lizards
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4122/...0a26523a_o.png

[Trial 1291] any Great Sword WS x800 vs. Beasts
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4073/...09c7b3de_o.png



Axe
Renaud's Axe - WAR/BST
[Trial 1349] Gale Axe x100
[Trial 1350] Spinning Axe x200
[Trial 1351] Calamity x300 vs. Vermin
[Trial 1352] or [Trial 1353]

[Trial 1352] Decimation x500 vs. Birds
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4098/...28a2a1ec_o.png

[Trial 1353] any Axe WS x800 vs. Lizards
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4099/...d84e4874_o.png



Great Axe
Sumeru - WAR
[Trial 1395] Iron Tempyst x100
[Trial 1396] Sturmwind x200
[Trial 1397] Keen Edge x300 vs. Lizards
[Trial 1398] or [Trial 1399]

[Trial 1398] Steel Cyclone x500 vs. Beasts
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4121/...c24792cf_o.png

[Trial 1399] any Great Axe WS x800 vs. Birds
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4116/...11585517_o.png



Scythe
Reckoning - DRK
[Trial 1503] Nightmare Scythe x100
[Trial 1504] Spinning Scythe x200
[Trial 1505] Vorpal Scythe x300 vs. Vermin
[Trial 1506] or [Trial 1507]

[Trial 1506] Spiral Hell x500 vs. Beasts
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4114/...8578d7a6_o.png

[Trial 1507] any Scythe WS x800 vs. Aquans
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4098/...61bc79be_o.png



Polearm
Stingray - DRG
[Trial 1457] Leg Sweep x100
[Trial 1458] Vorpal Thrust x200
[Trial 1459] Skewer x300 vs. Birds
[Trial 1460] or [Trial 1461]

[Trial 1460] Impulse Drive x500 vs. Plantoids
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4082/...f2e3b3da_o.png

[Trial 1461] any Polearm WS x800 vs. Amorphs
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4141/...631605e1_o.png



Katana
Uzura - NIN
[Trial 1549] Blade: To x100
[Trial 1551] Blade: Chi x200
[Trial 1552] Blade: Ten x300 vs. Lizards
[Trial 1553] or [Trial 1554]

[Trial 1553] Blade: Ku x500 vs. Plantoids
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4138/...c3c67980_o.png

[Trial 1554] any Katana WS x800 vs. Vermin
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4140/...66d88739_o.png



Great Katana
Keitonotachi - SAM
[Trial 1595] Tachi: Goten x100
[Trial 1596] Tachi: Jinpu x200
[Trial 1597] Tachi: Koki x300 vs. Birds
[Trial 1599] any Great Katana WS x800 vs. Aquans
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4123/...e0835c88_o.png



Club
Makhila - WHM
[Trial 1641] Brainshaker x100
[Trial 1642] Skullbreaker x200
[Trial 1643] Judgment x300 vs. Beasts
[Trial 1644] or [Trial 1645]

[Trial 1644] Black Halo x500 vs. Lizards
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4139/...12990486_o.png

[Trial 1645] any Club WS x800 vs. Birds
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4096/...c6d2ba8a_o.png



Staff
Sedikutchi - BLM/SMN/SCH
[Trial 1753] Rock Crusher x100
[Trial 1754] Shell Crusher x200
[Trial 1755] Full Swing x300 vs. Plantoids
[Trial 1756] or [Trial 1757]

[Trial 1756] Retribution x500 vs. Birds
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4077/...4e3df634_o.png

[Trial 1757] any Staff WS x800 vs. Beasts
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4074/...bcb2f7b4_o.png



Bow
Sparrowhawk - RNG
[Trial 1813] Dulling Arrow x100
[Trial 1814] Blast Arrow x200
[Trial 1815] Arching Arrow x300 vs. Plantoids
[Trial 1816] or [Trial 1817]

[Trial 1816] Empyreal Arrow x500 vs. Beasts
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4082/...962b848a_o.png

[Trial 1817] any Archery WS x800 vs. Arcana
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4119/...72729a34_o.png



Gun
Anarchy - RNG/COR
[Trial 1783] Hot Shot x100
[Trial 1784] Split Shot x200
[Trial 1785] Sniper Shot x300 vs. Lizards
[Trial 1786] or [Trial 1787]

[Trial 1786] Detonator x500 vs. Vermin
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4118/...dbe519f2_o.png

[Trial 1787] any Marksmanship WS x800 vs. Lizards
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4079/...0a6c9d2a_o.png


and that's all for now

[Carraway]

Thanks for posting those, Araelus.

[Araelus]

Thanks for posting those, Araelus.

Glad to help out. If someone could get the info for [Trial 1598] I would appreciate it, although I remember it's a (78+11)DMG , 464 Delay, Tachi: Kasha +10% damage, and the trial itself is obviously Tashi: Kasha x500 but on an unknown mob type. I dunno if anyone would choose that over the alternative... but for completeness's sake...

In case there is any confusion from what I posted, the base weapons are what you can see in the final version, but un-augmented. They are from the Splintery Chest, on the "go to the next page" of weapons.

Since they start from new, level 80 base items, these weapons can be trial'd without messing up the Empyrean/OAT/etc. trial line.

Since the intermediate augmentations are just some +DMG and weak WS damage, and the starter weapon info is included in the final version, I did not bother with screenshots for those stages.

[Shadida]

So there are a few new "final forms" for the bows which start with Trial 941. Here they all are:

http://files1.guildlaunch.net/guild/...ore2344Mid.png

So, obviously Gandiva is hot shit, but the way this Abyssea info is turning out, good fuckin' luck with that one (requires 50 Fistule Discharges).

The cop out version of Gandiva, Harrier, looks nice too, but it requires a ton of items from Walk of Echos, which admittedly doesn't seem that bad. However, it's not SO much different from that very delicious looking Condor with (effectively) DMG:82 Delay:540 Occasionally deals double damage.

That sounds fantastic, especially if it procs on BARRAGE like Yoichinoyumi and Annihilator do. The question is, can "Occasionally deals double damage" proc on Barrage?? Only someone with COR or RNG mythic could test this and figure it out. Does anyone already know?

The work involved in getting that particular Condor is pretty retarded, but if it will work then I'm willing to make the time investment. I'd hate to kill 2800 mobs and 40 NMs only to discover that it doesn't work on Barrage and I got hosed.

[Colenzo]

So there are a few new "final forms" for the bows which start with Trial 941. Here they all are:

http://files1.guildlaunch.net/guild/...ore2344Mid.png

So, obviously Gandiva is hot shit, but the way this Abyssea info is turning out, good fuckin' luck with that one (requires 50 Fistule Discharges).

The cop out version of Gandiva, Harrier, looks nice too, but it requires a ton of items from Walk of Echos, which admittedly doesn't seem that bad. However, it's not SO much different from that very delicious looking Condor with (effectively) DMG:82 Delay:540 Occasionally deals double damage.

That sounds fantastic, especially if it procs on BARRAGE like Yoichinoyumi and Annihilator do. The question is, can "Occasionally deals double damage" proc on Barrage?? Only someone with COR or RNG mythic could test this and figure it out. Does anyone already know?

The work involved in getting that particular Condor is pretty retarded, but if it will work then I'm willing to make the time investment. I'd hate to kill 2800 mobs and 40 NMs only to discover that it doesn't work on Barrage and I got hosed.

shoot two at the same time and do double damage on both = jizzedinmypants

[Villian]

And a dead ranger? ^^ I really hope SE will implant those -enmity things for rng in the future.

[Atoreis]

kevanff on Alla, who had the OATs before the update, has confirmed they still work with Footwork. He has completed the OA2-3 weapons, but still needs to reach level 80 to test them.

There has been no indication that they stack with DA the way jailer weapons do. Since he's had to kill ~1000 extra mobs for the trials, I would have expected to hear something from him if he saw any oddities in that regard.

Also, kicks under Footwork are just an extension of standard DA mechanics when in that mode. As such, you should only ever get a max of 2 attacks per round when using the OATs, and a max of 3 per round when using the OA2-3, if using Footwork. Similarly, a max of 5 per round (two punches, each DA'd, plus kick) for OATs in normal mode, and a max of 7 with the OA2-3. I'm going with that until there's any sort of reliable indication that this is -not- the case.

Also can he confirm that oat works on both fists now?
And if it works then how footwork 2-3 wins with 2-4+kick normal mode? Becouse of tp gain and DK beats asuran fist(or howling?)?
Becouse Dps seems to be higher on normal mode:
1. 1,45 on fist so 2,9hits in round avg for oat h2h + kick is:
- 54(Ftorque,fullmerits) *2,9 = 156 base dmg at 440 daley is 21,27DPS
- 35+30+18 * 1,9(i belive thats avg for 2-3 hits) = 157 base dmg at 480 is 19,6 dps

Now Footwrok will have avg tp gain ~25 per round and also ~25+ after WS
when normal mode ~17 per round and ~18 after ws

Tho kick attack (if kick atatck cancell oat while footwork like da cancell it while normal mode ) proc favor normal mode more also cuz:
- normal atttack it gives +5,9 TP and +35base dmg in round
- while footwork it only improve avg hits distribution from 1,9 closer to 2 (not much tho)

So is Footwork winning cuz of faster tp gaina and stronger ws?

[Konda]

do faith work with footwork? never thought to check and I'm not online until tonight...
wouldnt that give a good indication as to wether footwork benefits from OAThrice?

[Atoreis]

do faith work with footwork? never thought to check and I'm not online until tonight...
wouldnt that give a good indication as to wether footwork benefits from OAThrice?

someone already confirm Magian works on footwork while faith doesnt work on footwork I think but Faith OAT is different cuz he stack with double attack so he might work differently on Footwork as well.

[Cream Soda]

Both fists confirmed. Happens twice in the video. JUST uploaded, so may take a bit to process proper quality. As you can see, I'm not subbed war, wearing no double attack gear.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7TX5E7oWkc

[Atoreis]

Both fists confirmed. Happens twice in the video. JUST uploaded, so may take a bit to process proper quality. As you can see, I'm not subbed war, wearing no double attack gear.

Its no luck on so many rounds w/o da at some point or those have lower then 45-50% oat? xD

[Cream Soda]

Idk, I was thinking the same. I JUST got them like less than an hour ago