Final Form Magian Weapons

[Khory]

been doing the blm trial for lv. 80 BLM thunder staff, need to do 250 thunder kills finishing blows. can a group of BLMs do this, and say BLM C does the kill shot for 1k dmg thun3, does all blms get credit?

Killing blow trials only work tfor the guy who gets the killing blow.

What you can do however is to team up with someone who doesnt need killing blow. They take funguars down to 35~40% and you Thunder IV it.

[FailureMidgard]

Could you please explain where that 21% comes from? Thank you.

been doing the blm trial for lv. 80 BLM thunder staff, need to do 250 thunder kills finishing blows. can a group of BLMs do this, and say BLM C does the kill shot for 1k dmg thun3, does all blms get credit?

edit: @ above poster, failure edited his post

he had orginally calculated the extra damage as 2.5normal hit dmg x proc rate, then corrected himself since the extra damage is only the increase

(2.5-normal 1) 1.5 x proc rate, from that i guess they're assuming amanos proc rate is about 8%? anyway, that's the general idea.

Ya this, 2.5x dmg is an additional 1.5x damage and the best proc rate estimation seems to be 1/12, so 1.5/12 is the average added dmg per swing, which is 12.5%. I messed up originally and did 2.5/12, which isn't correct.

[Neosutra]

Meh fuck it I dont feel like doing all the catch up trials for Amano, I'll just get Masamune Q.Q.

I wonder if you guys will ever be able to sell that lolNanatsusayanotachi lol. It was already a token toy (looked badass though) before the update, but now both it and AV's gatana get blown away by magians alone =/.

[FailureMidgard]

Meh fuck it I dont feel like doing all the catch up trials for Amano, I'll just get Masamune Q.Q.

I wonder if you guys will ever be able to sell that lolNanatsusayanotachi lol. It was already a token toy (looked badass though) before the update, but now both it and AV's gatana get blown away by magians alone =/.

It already sold before the update hit. I'm still not sure why people would even buy it though.

Also, while I fully think Amano is quite amazing in most situations where melee is good (and I still think a Sam gains more from upgrading to Amano than any other DD gains upgrading to their relic), at this point if I didn't already have it, I honestly don't think I would bother completing it...would rather go find something else to do with the gil. But, since I can't get the gil back or any time invested in trials, guess I'll keep grinding the fuck out of it when they up it to 2500 KBs and such.

[Pindle]

I noticed on the other Wiki's Indra Staff talk page that someone did some baseline testing with the staff and saw roughly a 25% increase in damage. Has anyone done testing with the staff that favours M.Acc to see if the damage is inherent to the staff itself, or is it just the affinity bonus? I'm trying to decide whether to stay going with my Pet: MAB +10 staff or to switch up to the Varuna Staff with M.Acc +1 MAB +4.

[Raen Ryong]

{Edit: Alpha on WS is .85 now

Alpha increased from what it was at level 75? Or am I misreading?

[Neosutra]

I thought it was still .83, but maybe I am imagining reading that test somewhere.

[fredjanx]

I still don't understand why the low dmg OAT branches into a weapon with high DMG and DA +5 - 7%.... and why the NM path in the end uses currency / NM drops <.< just doesn't make sense

[FailureMidgard]

Alpha increased from what it was at level 75? Or am I misreading?

That's what I was told by Kirschy. Haven't tested it myself or anything. Though it is odd it increased instead of decreased?

[Kirschy]

http://www32.atwiki.jp/studiogobli/pages/90.html

Stolen from Studio Gobli, I believe the new alpha values come from BLU which is easy to check/measure~

[Cairthenn]

Genuinely got lost in the discussion. Which magian GKT(s) would actually be worth doing?

[CubsWoo]

Genuinely got lost in the discussion. Which magian GKT(s) would actually be worth doing?

The Store TP one seems very popular. The STR/ATK one seems good too but I don't claim to be an expert on SAM math so I'm probably wrong.

[Neosutra]

Genuinely got lost in the discussion. Which magian GKT(s) would actually be worth doing?

Easiest bang for your buck: 5 hit using Stp one.

[Cairthenn]

Easiest bang for your buck: 5 hit using Stp one.

I don't own Usu feet, just body :\

[Neosutra]

Then I suggest you call Bhaflau Remnants 2nd floor your new home.

[Atoreis]

It already sold before the update hit. I'm still not sure why people would even buy it though.

Also, while I fully think Amano is quite amazing in most situations where melee is good (and I still think a Sam gains more from upgrading to Amano than any other DD gains upgrading to their relic), at this point if I didn't already have it, I honestly don't think I would bother completing it...would rather go find something else to do with the gil. But, since I can't get the gil back or any time invested in trials, guess I'll keep grinding the fuck out of it when they up it to 2500 KBs and such.

Exca, Mandau, Apoc are at least as good for their jobs as amano for sam(If all those are actually use with full potencial (for example Galka PLD in abbysea with 40% hp buff ) or DRK tanking etc. (ok Mandau is maybe less useful)
Ranged isnt tehnically melee but both gun and bow are imo kings of what they gives to jobs that can use them.
there is also underestimated Spharai which imo got a lot with perfect counter
(perfect counter in most cases counter 3 hits and all are crits which realy add a lot of dmg which spharai + counter dmg mantle (could also probably macro in crit dmg+ equip for those counters)) btw if I already on topic is hidden effect possible on counter? probably not but would be cool

[Suteru]

Am I correct in my calculations that Store TP gun (Anarchy) + Skadi Legs + Rajas is a 5 hit for ranged?

Also whoever thought it would be a good idea to put VNM kills to get DMG+ weapons should be shot.

[Altariel]

Am I correct in my calculations that Store TP gun (Anarchy) + Skadi Legs + Rajas is a 5 hit for ranged.

Correct, should get 20.1 TP return, so this is a nice 5 hit option as long as you shoot and 3 with just those 3.

[cdgreg]

Asked this in random Q thread, but figure I'll try here too:

What's the verdict on the best trial staff to enhance drain/aspir? Dark MACC or Dark MDMG? I know MAB/INT play no factor in adding dmg, but I'm not sure if the MDMG will act like Anrin obi?

[Atoreis]

Asked this in random Q thread, but figure I'll try here too:

What's the verdict on the best trial staff to enhance drain/aspir? Dark MACC or Dark MDMG? I know MAB/INT play no factor in adding dmg, but I'm not sure if the MDMG will act like Anrin obi?

No it will act like Dark/Pluto staff
Staff were always increasing dmg directly not increasing mab.
New staffs follow the same path and i dont know why you trying to compare them to obis when obvious is to compere their effect with old ele staffs...
As for a question Yama's staff will increase both macc and "dmg" of drain/aspir but which one is better (more macc or more dmg) depends on what you are fighting.