Final Form Magian Weapons

[solanis]

Is there any actual proof on this red for Key Items? 'cause I've actually never gotten a key item (outside of atma) when proccing red on anything, and seen plenty of great streaks without. I'd say my rate is better without red, but that's obvious since I'm at a 0% drop on key items with reds...feels like people claiming grellow makes Bullwhip drop, when that generally just a coincidence...

It's not true with bullwhip at least. Been multiple times helping friends where we've gotten grellow but no bullwhip.

[FailureMidgard]

It's not true with bullwhip at least. Been multiple times helping friends where we've gotten grellow but no bullwhip.

Hence the point of the analogy...

[Thorny]

Someone mentioned going ~13/13 on key items using it. Personally only like 5/5, but it seems to be legit. Adding an extra 2 min to guarantee key item drops on the timed spawn NMs is a pretty good idea if you bring a decent sized group.

[Byrthnoth]

<____< Yes, Red !! forces a 100% key item drop, be it Atma, Abyssite, or Key Item for a Tier 2 NM. It has worked for me at least 20 times now and has failed 0 times.

Red !! = Key Item
Grellow !! = Additional drops (Crafting materials, seals, AF3+2 items, whatever)
Blue !! = Increased odds of Rare item drop (not to 100%, but maybe to 80%?)

[solanis]

Hence the point of the analogy...

oh, totally misread your post. sorry

[Atoreis]

I asked in random but that topic is going too fast I think so I will ask here.

Lowman strategy for Carabosse?
Briareus and Sobek have no movement+ yes?

Failure? Thorny?

[FailureMidgard]

<____< Yes, Red !! forces a 100% key item drop, be it Atma, Abyssite, or Key Item for a Tier 2 NM. It has worked for me at least 20 times now and has failed 0 times.

Red !! = Key Item
Grellow !! = Additional drops (Crafting materials, seals, AF3+2 items, whatever)
Blue !! = Increased odds of Rare item drop (not to 100%, but maybe to 80%?)

I didn't screenshot it, but I've personally seen red !!s without a key item, so it's not 100% on key items. I've seen both abyssites and pop KIs not drop with reds procced. We also went literally 7/8 on Heqet last night without any red !!s...shit's just not a terrible droprate...

[Karbuncle]

<____< Yes, Red !! forces a 100% key item drop, be it Atma, Abyssite, or Key Item for a Tier 2 NM. It has worked for me at least 20 times now and has failed 0 times.

Red !! = Key Item
Grellow !! = Additional drops (Crafting materials, seals, AF3+2 items, whatever)
Blue !! = Increased odds of Rare item drop (not to 100%, but maybe to 80%?)

Red is certainly not 100% on Key items, or Atma, I myself have been in fights where no Atma dropped (from yes, an Atma giving NM) with Red "!!" Proc'd (only once in the fight)

As far as i know it drastically increases the drop rate on it, but not 100% =x

Unless of course theres some other factor..

[Byrthnoth]

I'm about 50% without Red !!s and 100% with. Maybe it doesn't force a drop, but it sure increases the drop rate a lot (a la blue). If you're trying to crank out key items from timed NMs it's worth it to proc Red !!s (WAR/NIN can hit 10/13 of the required WSs). Bottom line is, it's worth tossing whatever you have available at it if you're already melee killing it.

[Langly]

In case anyone was curious since it was posted a while back for Blade: Hi curiosity. Just did some observations with Loki's Kaftan Enhances CRIT Hit DMG.

Capped fSTR on Wild rabbits in Ronf gave us 423 base dmg (Siege Bow 83 DMG + Ammo 24 Scorpion Arrows + fSTR cap 34) x 3.0.
Normal Crits were 528 (141 x 3.75).
Crits with Kaftan were 554 (141 x 3.929)

Looks like about a 5% increase in Crit Hit DMG. Very nice.

(Thank you Lenneth on Quetz) Let me know if somethins borked.

[EjinCaitsith]

In mea/holla/dem red !! is 100% KI's, and i'm fairly sure it's the same in other zones too except pop NMs like Tunga are weird who they give KI to sometimes.

We just farmed 50 Carabosse Gem in the course of 2 runs(12hrs~) procing red on every Pixie/Fly and every time we got the KI .

[Atoreis]

Lowman strategy for Carabosse? anyone?

I dont know how it's modes are turning on but I think WHM mode (absorb magic + cure spam) make it impossible to use magic dmg only? Kite + RDM + SMN BP? Help me out please.

[Thorny]

rdm + mnk
anything else is gravy

[Flic]

No logs or anything but 8/8 on key items or atma tonight when we triggered red !!, 1/2 without red!!.

[Karbuncle]

I'm sure i've seen posts here from people who have proc'd red and not got either atma or key item -.-;

I can still vouch that on two separate occasions my LS has proc'd red "!!" and not gotten either atma or Drop, one being on Lacovie, and i can't recall the other :\

[Zenairis]

Is there any actual proof on this red for Key Items? 'cause I've actually never gotten a key item (outside of atma) when proccing red on anything, and seen plenty of great streaks without. I'd say my rate is better without red, but that's obvious since I'm at a 0% drop on key items with reds...feels like people claiming grellow makes Bullwhip drop, when that generally just a coincidence...

{Edit: and 14 hrs feels high even if you have a full 6...I'm averaging about 12-15minutes per full Carabosse set with 3-4 characters, generally shittily 2boxed, and about 8-10min per Carabosse kill with 6-8 people. 30 pops max to get 50 gems @ 25min per pop (upper bound really) is 12.5 hrs...I'll be done with Masamune 2 weeks after starting it...which is pretty bogus for how much better than Amano it is.}

How are you achieving Carabosse kills with only 6-8 members in roughly 8-10 minutes? just asking out of curiosity

[Salmijr]

war/samx2, whm, brd, cor, rng/samx2 is close to our usual setup.
Shadows are useless, you are amnesiad most of the time, so seigan/third eye and /nin are useless. Pop hasso at start before he amnesias you, spam cures, and just grind throught. DDs have dorian and eve atmas, mages have double refresh, rngs can have khalimari and eve or w/e. Make sure you get shell up asap when it dispels it and goes into blm mode. Get a lucky red !! proc, and you can even kill it before it benedictions.

[FailureMidgard]

How are you achieving Carabosse kills with only 6-8 members in roughly 8-10 minutes? just asking out of curiosity

What Salmi said mostly...any DD is fine, shadows are useless, seigan is useless. 2 DD + brd + cor + 2 healers (just to be safe, usually 1 real healer and 1 2boxed), +1-2 rngs if able. We've managed to kill it once without it using Bene also (without red). Fight is a total joke with Dorian atma...without it, I can see there being issues as Aero5/Tornado2 can do upwards of 2.4k after a shell dispel/etc.

As for the red deal...We've always gotten atma when we procced it, but I've seen multiple kills without a KI when we procced red, so we gave up...then again, with what Ejin is saying, maybe I just got unlucky on the ones that stand out in my mind...

[orson]

There has been situations of people not receiving the Atma from a red proc but it's reportedly very uncommon. It's not hard to believe the red either increases your odds drastically but not 100% similarly like how you can get atma without the red !! going off. Maybe the other thing is there's a way where the buff can be lost?

[Zenairis]

So I'm assuming if you can kill it fast enough it will not benediction? o.o