Final Form Magian Weapons

[Mer]

^ have only +30, i lack ares body and AF3 feet +1, and +150 STR +60 VIT or something in abyssea. Even though I really doubt any amount of VIT is going to close that gap, I'll try to aquire some more for the sake of science if anyone cares. Inventory is a bitch though.

*edit* ws set is +65 STR as well as the +30 VIT and breeze gorget. not sure whether to use Bibiki seashell vs Thew or stuff like that.

[hexagram23]

Just got Quietus....it's nice as hell. Easily better than Guillotine, with the same WS properties as Cross Reaper. Was doing 1.1k-2.1k in WoE, Antlions. No buffs aside from Yellow Curry Buns. I had STR+68 in WS gear, with Snow Gorget. Went to Abyssea real quick, WS'ed a Very Tough Rocky Murex for 1.4k, unbuffed at 100 TP. All these numbers are at 100 TP, the 2.1k had a DA proc on it.

I don't know about all those crazy 4k numbers and stuff other WS can do, but with COR Rolls and/or BRD songs this will be a beastly WS. It's already easily the best WS DRK has, with zero buffs.

[Guitarman]

Just got Quietus....it's nice as hell. Easily better than Guillotine, with the same WS properties as Cross Reaper. Was doing 1.1k-2.1k in WoE, Antlions. No buffs aside from Yellow Curry Buns. I had STR+68 in WS gear, with Snow Gorget. Went to Abyssea real quick, WS'ed a Very Tough Rocky Murex for 1.4k, unbuffed at 100 TP. All these numbers are at 100 TP, the 2.1k had a DA proc on it.

I don't know about all those crazy 4k numbers and stuff other WS can do, but with COR Rolls and/or BRD songs this will be a beastly WS. It's already easily the best WS DRK has, with zero buffs.

Soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo glad to hear that. please do post numbers next time you're fully buffed. And huge grats. I know you've been after it a while, glad you finally got it.

[hexagram23]

Soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo glad to hear that. please do post numbers next time you're fully buffed. And huge grats. I know you've been after it a while, glad you finally got it.

I'm on it homie. Would've done it just now but I gotta work in 5 hours.

You can rest easy though, it's an awesome WS. Gonna do some EXP in Abyssea tomorrow, unfortunately I got crap for Atmas. We killed Briareus yesterday and his Atma didn't drop despite us triggering the !!, not sure why.

Anyway yeah. It's a great WS. I'm not sure who is EXPing but I'll try to swing a BRD and/or a COR also.

This is the first one I did after I got it:
http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/2008/73007775.jpg

[Guitarman]

well doesnt match up to torcleaver, (assuming it does what we're hearing about it), but i prefer scythe over GS...

[Atoreis]

Anyone have some new info about Blade: Hi? Only dmg was mentioned is that 4277 on colibri. It's a difference tho if that was Double or triple attack with Ruins + Scythe Atmas or some nonDA with ruins + harvester for example.

[Diane]

Im also very glad to hear people say Quietus is worthwhile!
I remain skeptical however, i was also seeing 1.6ks in abyssea, and 2-2.1k on DA procs. But those are not that different from what i was seeing with the high base dmg of the weapon on guillotine. I realise my drk isnt top notch, but both WS performed under same conditions produced very similar numbers for me.

Im on my way to finishing torcleaver, and will compare the overall dps with quietus when im done.

[Nameless]

I have to say it looks like a nice WS option when you don't have buff, as the ignore defense probably plays a part on your decent damage against tougher mobs. However, when you have buff, guillotine is either going to close the gap or overtake it. I don't expect buff to help its damage too much to be honest with you.

On the other hand, GS one seems extremely powerful, I just hope to see some number against Spinning Slash, but it seems like it is far better. I am debating to either go with the real one or the gimp one. The gimp one has higher delay and is possible to 6 hit, the real one can only 7 hit. Looking at how powerful the WS is, the split is likely going to be 3:5, so WS frequency here is key in term of overall damage.

For polearm and scythe, I think I am sitting pretty with OAT.

[hexagram23]

I have to say it looks like a nice WS option when you don't have buff, as the ignore defense probably plays a part on your decent damage against tougher mobs. However, when you have buff, guillotine is either going to close the gap or overtake it. I don't expect buff to help its damage too much to be honest with you.

On the other hand, GS one seems extremely powerful, I just hope to see some number against Spinning Slash, but it seems like it is far better. I am debating to either go with the real one or the gimp one. The gimp one has higher delay and is possible to 6 hit, the real one can only 7 hit. Looking at how powerful the WS is, the split is likely going to be 3:5, so WS frequency here is key in term of overall damage.

For polearm and scythe, I think I am sitting pretty with OAT.

I can't comment much on the WS vs Guillotine because I haven't even had it a day. I'm doing Abyssea EXP in a bit so I'll toss out a few of each WS and compare them. Just from what I've seen though I doubt Guillotine will outdamage Quietus.

[turbotortuga]

Has anyone seen/heard anything about Jishnu's Radiance? Working on it atm but coins are rough lotting in the PUGs as Decays go into GKT upgrades as well ._.

After a week of crappy trials, I completed Harrier+1 this morning. I must say that Jishnu's Radiance is one of the coolest weaponskills I have seen. I haven't had time to test it or anything but from just a quick and dirty look, it's definitely not going to replace Sidewinder or anything. Also I couldn't tell how many arrows it used. When I used it with Unlimited Shot, it didn't use any and then once I used it and I thought it may have used 2 arrows for about the same dmg as before. Also it looks as if arrow dmg is taken into account as well. I'll try to test it more later when I get home from work.

[Leey]

cant be bothered to read through 100+ pages so can someone who has tell me if the "Pet" Magic Attack Bonus effects avatars? was told it doesnt but doesnt add up, friend said that on gear "Pet" = BST pet, Avatar = Avatar of course and Wyvern = dragoon pet, here is what doesnt add up the staff reads "Pet" Magic Attack +9 and yet BST cant even use it... not that this surprises me with SE but any confirmation would be awesome if testing has been done already.

[Byrthnoth]

cant be bothered to read through 100+ pages so can someone who has tell me if the "Pet" Magic Attack Bonus effects avatars? was told it doesnt but doesnt add up, friend said that on gear "Pet" = BST pet, Avatar = Avatar of course and Wyvern = dragoon pet, here is what doesnt add up the staff reads "Pet" Magic Attack +9 and yet BST cant even use it... not that this surprises me with SE but any confirmation would be awesome if testing has been done already.

Beastmasters don't get anything special for their pets. "Pet:" enhances any kind of pet.

[Holyman]

It does affect avatars , otherwise why do you think they put SMN on those staves ?
It's just different wording.

[ronin sparthos]

After a week of crappy trials, I completed Harrier+1 this morning. I must say that Jishnu's Radiance is one of the coolest weaponskills I have seen. I haven't had time to test it or anything but from just a quick and dirty look, it's definitely not going to replace Sidewinder or anything. Also I couldn't tell how many arrows it used. When I used it with Unlimited Shot, it didn't use any and then once I used it and I thought it may have used 2 arrows for about the same dmg as before. Also it looks as if arrow dmg is taken into account as well. I'll try to test it more later when I get home from work.

First off, Congratulations.

Im gonna ask if you could test Jishnu's with normal gear then add in any DEX gear if you have since it looks like the normal RNGWS gear isn't going to work with it. The Gandiva afterall has DEX+10 which may be its modifier.

[Leey]

can anyone prove that tho? with testing? i believe it works on avatars too but friend did say somewhere in this thread it was proved otherwise.

[Cybaster]

Here's more testing for rudra's storm;

Just to reiterate, its sc properties is darkness/distortion. RS > RS is darkness. RS > evis is darkness. Aligned with snow/aqua/shadow gorget. It appears to have no attack bonus just like other 1-hit relic ws.

All tests are done at 100% or with sekka against wild rabbit using SA.

137 DEX, no gorget:

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1737
1597
1721
1596
1790
1783
1647
1658
1638
1789
1833
1847
1831
1600
1638
1783
1617
1614
1810
1857
1604
1779
1843
1706
1785
1679
1677
1816
1804
1870 ***
1702
1801
1814
1620
1753
1598
1844
1649
1662
1605

Same DEX, with aqua gorget. STR/atk is slightly lower but it shouldn't matter

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1886
1887
1900 ***
1870
1882
1627
1831
1623
1728
1620
1859
1684
1863
1884
1696
1670
1691
1823
1711
1895
1845
1783
1763
1873
1667
1852
1647
1846
1892
1847
1682
1707
1681
1858
1815

There's a thread in alla mentioning about the second tier critical bonus trait for THF85. It haven't been tested much, but from the number it looked like the total increment become 8%, and that's what I use here. The calculation below might be off pending more critical bonus testing.

((D + fSTR + WSC) * fTP + DEX) * pDIF * CritBonus = MaxDamage
((45 + 13 + WSC) * fTP + 137) * 3.15 * 1.08 = 1870
((58 + WSC) * fTP + 137) * 3.402 = 1870
(58 + WSC) * fTP = 1870/3.402 - 137
(58 + WSC) * fTP = 412
58fTP + WSCfTP = 412
WSCfTP = 412 - 58fTP
WSC = (412 - 58fTP) / fTP
WSC = (412/fTP) - 58

((58 + WSC) * (fTP + 0.1) + 137) * 3.402 = 1900
(58 + WSC) * (fTP + 0.1) = 1900/3.402 - 137
(58 + (412/fTP) - 58 ) * (fTP + 0.1) = 421
412/fTP * (fTP + 0.1) = 421
412 + (412/fTP * 0.1) = 421
412/fTP * 0.1 = 9
412/fTP = 90
90fTP = 412
fTP = 4.677777777777...

It comes out at ~25% DEX and ~4,677777777... fTP, but when you plug this in, the theoretical damage came out lower. The next closest mod would have been 30% DEX. With that, the fTP is around 4.5, and this actually fit the test damage very well.

Using 30% DEX, 4.5 fTP, truncating every decimals
137 DEX theoretical max damage: 1873
My max damage (n=40): 1870

137 DEX with gorget theoretical max damage: 1905
My max damage (n=35): 1900

Using ejiboo's data:
81 DEX theoretical max damage: 1468
His max damage (n=21 if you count the STR test): 1406

112 DEX theoretical max damage: 1696
His max damage (n=11): 1637

I think it's safe to assume that 30% DEX and 4.5 fTP at 100% TP is the modifier or very close to it. Even if you use evisceration for solo ws, I'd say this is still the definitive main hand dagger for thief aside from relic/mythic/empyrean. Dancer is out of luck, the WS suck without SA/TA, doing like 800 max damage. The same goes with twashtar.

[Scrooge]

I haven't had time to test it or anything but from just a quick and dirty look, it's definitely not going to replace Sidewinder or anything.

Was this outside Abyssea that it's not stacking up with Sidewinder?

Cause inside Abyssea's the only thing that matters these days, and you get Razed Ruins in there.

[turbotortuga]

Was this outside Abyssea that it's not stacking up with Sidewinder?

Cause inside Abyssea's the only thing that matters these days, and you get Razed Ruins in there.

This was just outside Jeuno in Rolan, after I got the bow. I was super tired and just wanted to see the weaponskill. It was doing about 1450 to the low level bees and bats out there. I'm just speculating because I know Sidewinder hits them for 3k-ish. But of course, I was in my STR/R.Atk WS set, so don't draw any conclusions from it. As gathered from the other Emp Weapons and the associated weaponskills, the ws mod is more than likely DEX, which may present a problem for me as I lack superior DEX gear for my RNG.

[chazzyphizzle]

isn't the empyreal ws 3 hits? or did i get bad info

[ronin sparthos]

It is 3hits.

Not being able to SA+WS to force crits will also complicate things.