Final Form Magian Weapons

[Shinryuu]

It should.

hotpiercedguy | Posted 3/26/2010 9:04:01 AM | message detail
I guess I just don't get it; but WHY is Luchtain so much better? Especially then Bravura? Just because you can WS spam faster? And how often is the 2x attack anyway? I heard 10% for all weapons?

Any truth to this? Confirmation? There's been plenty of rumours about the OAT proc rate, of course, but real tests with real weapons yet?

[Cymmina]

It was nice of them to give -4 perpetuation on these staves, but give them all the same name so they are impossible to make macros for. Good thing I don't have SMN.

[Jakson]

Edit: Derp derp derp, read competed as completed.

[Ashmada]

OAT Scythe is three easy NMs and then 400 arcana and 300 Hippogryphs before VNM drops.

Edit: Nvm, must've misread or something.


Above: competed!=completed.

[Shinryuu]

My COR friend also mentioned Hippogryphs. Weird.

And what I mean with competed is that judging from BG forums and in-game, the dagger seems the most popular and GAX is among the least popular. Now, I have no clue what other weapons use Ruthven's Nails besides the BLU sword (also not very popular I'm guessing) but I'm secretly hoping for some cheap nails.

[Karbuncle]

Yeah, A lot of the paths for weapons mimic the same requirements when it gets into the elemental parts (DEX+4 Acc+8 path etc etc) including Mob Family, amount, or Weather/Day conditions

[Carrilei]

My COR friend also mentioned Hippogryphs. Weird.

Not sure why you're saying that's weird, but killing 300 EP+ Hippogryphs is Trial 900 for COR (and RNG), the last trial before 10x eyes of verthandi on the DMG39 multi-hit Dragonmaw.. Finished it last night, just need the eyes now.

[Shinryuu]

Was a response to the now edited post, someone said Hippogryphs weren't a trial.

[fantasticdan]

My COR friend also mentioned Hippogryphs. Weird.

And what I mean with competed is that judging from BG forums and in-game, the dagger seems the most popular and GAX is among the least popular. Now, I have no clue what other weapons use Ruthven's Nails besides the BLU sword (also not very popular I'm guessing) but I'm secretly hoping for some cheap nails.

The 1h katana does as well, but most people probably don't care about nin anymore.

[Phlow]

Joyeuse has superior DPS and is even better for RDM and PLD/RDM due to the low delay (enspells) at the expense of a single point in weapon rank on WS (not that big a deal, especially for PLD). The comparison is obviously irrelevant for BLU and any jobs that are on Joyeuse but not Antea. Also, it's only 5 points of base damage. Weapon rank does matter (less so against HNM), it's just that the massive increase to WS frequency outweighs the losses in base damage and delay, especially if it's on a DW job where the lower damage won't affect WS damage.

Except Antea gets you to 100% tp faster than Joyeuse (with 0 STP). Better for HNM Atonement spam.

Someone did mention Rajas on idle, but you'd have to connect all 11 hits with Rajas on, something I rarely am able to do when swapping gears as much as I do.

(math: http://killingifrit.com/forums/topic...he-new-joyuse/)

Edit: more I think about it, though, more it's makin me ponder. need to do more maths.

[Ophannus]

If I understand this correctly, would this be basically impossible for a RDM to complete? Will Banish II break 50 damage on an exp yeilding beast? :\

It should, just use Apollo Staff and a lot of MAB gear. Banish II on a EP Bunny should do like 120+.

[Arcanesoul]

looks like +15% cure pot staff is

790 > kill 100 treant family with any weather
791> 100 spiders in fire wind thunder light weather
828 > 100 any family light weather/day
829 > 100 arcana light weather/day
834 > deal the finishing blow to 150 beasts with light damage greater than 50
838 > 10 bottled pixies

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Erm. So how does the last stage work then? Bottled pixies are rare/ex so how are you supposed to hand in 10? One at a time to the Magian moogle or did they change the rare status of the bottled pixies?

[Vendeenster]

I would assume you hand them in 1 at a time in the crate next to moogle.

[Hosom]

Joyeuse has superior DPS and is even better for RDM and PLD/RDM due to the low delay (enspells) at the expense of a single point in weapon rank on WS (not that big a deal, especially for PLD). The comparison is obviously irrelevant for BLU and any jobs that are on Joyeuse but not Antea. Also, it's only 5 points of base damage. Weapon rank does matter (less so against HNM), it's just that the massive increase to WS frequency outweighs the losses in base damage and delay, especially if it's on a DW job where the lower damage won't affect WS damage.

Magian weapon will get you to 100% TP faster than Joyeuse, which is more important for Pld/Rdm than En spells, sorry, Magian is better.

Edit: As far as Rdm goes, the only time I melee is with Ceremonial dagger so...

[Gwynplaine]

No, you turn them in to the Fey Spring in Grauberg I'm pretty sure.

[Cymmina]

No, you turn them in to the Fey Spring in Grauberg I'm pretty sure.

This ^^. I was freaking out when I read the 10 bottled pixies, thinking I had to take them all the way to Jeuno. Moogle specifies trading to the spring.

Does the staff have to be equiped for the deathblow? Or can I equip it at any point during the fight and that counts? Because it is going to be a real pain in the ass getting good damage on light spells without an Apollo's (or for completing any of those other trials).

[Nermie]

Does the staff have to be equiped for the deathblow? Or can I equip it at any point during the fight and that counts? Because it is going to be a real pain in the ass getting good damage on light spells without an Apollo's (or for completing any of those other trials).

I'm only on trial 791 so not entirely sure but ... I had to have the weapon equipped on the killshot for it to count - unless i'm doing it wrong

[TummieGaruda]

If I understand this correctly, would this be basically impossible for a RDM to complete? Will Banish II break 50 damage on an exp yeilding beast? :\

Does the trial say exp yielding mobs? If not, gather up a bunch of low level beast mobs and Banishga II on WHM main. If not, then sub /WHM for Banishga I unless it doesn't count multimob deaths.

[PEIPld]

A lot of random claims about joyeuse vs antaea

Any numbers?
ie DPS, attack rounds to 100%tp from 0%, attack rounds to 100%tp from 6%

Attack rounds to 100 w/ store tp+5/6, etc etc

Question though, how big of a factor is the increased base DMG in avoiding hitting for 0?

[Devinry]

Does the trial say exp yielding mobs? If not, gather up a bunch of low level beast mobs and Banishga II on WHM main. If not, then sub /WHM for Banishga I unless it doesn't count multimob deaths.

I'm not sure. The wiki doesn't have those trials updated, and I haven't had a chance to check it in game. If it's just any mob (not exp), then this will be cake. Thanks.