Final Form Magian Weapons

[Tsuko_Asura]

Apocalypse, but its only a matter of time :s

[Obsidian]

Excalibur get dumped on by Almace yet?

[Motenten]

Are you assuming the Spharai/Taipan+1 mnk is using Ascetic's Fury with RR/SS atma also

Yes. Ascetic's Fury/Victory Smite with crit atmas, Asuran Fists/Victory Smite without.

[Nightfyre]

10-30% better DPS for way less effort is sickening. The counter+ on Spharai is hot but... Ugh

[ronin sparthos]

Excalibur get dumped on by Almace yet?

No one has said anything about Chant du Cygne other than some simple WS samples on 2 mobs.

[Wakabo]

Do want ;(

[ejiboo]

No one has said anything about Chant du Cygne other than some simple WS samples on 2 mobs.

zorro ws puts out some great numbers on blu/rdm, haven't seen a pld with it though. not sure how it would stand up vs. atonement with the +1 weapon but i'm sure the emp would kill it.

[Aurara]

is this katana person JP or NA and willing to do tests?

[Guitarman]

i'm more jealous of the fact you have 35 stones in reserve than the katana, tbh.

[Cybaster]

Are these WS numbers from a Twashtar or Daka+1? and inside or outside abyssea? Im working on a Daka+1 atm for rudra's storm and im hearing its a great WS if you stack the modifiers well. Just curious^^;

These are testing number from wild rabbit in ronfaure. I was using daka+1, but aside from dex+10, the damage should be identical to twashtar, they have same dmg.

Tried to do a few 300% rudra storm tests, and the fTP is at least 7.24, probably 7.25 or 7.5? Maximum potential wise (at 100%), evisceration can get close, but remember with 5 hits and 1 offhand, you can only have 2 additional hits left. With rudra storm, while pretty rare, can proc 4 additional hits. Though I guess if all of those evis hits were to crit, it would still win?

Unless I just missed the second hit of rudra's storm 6 times in a row, this ws is one hit.

[Wakabo]

i'm more jealous of the fact you have 35 stones in reserve than the katana, tbh.

Lol I burned 30+ easy on abyssea leg quests. Finally had to stop myself from abyssea to stock up and did the 2 things to get stones every 12 hours now.

Also they are JP and I sent a /tell a few times but no reply each time.

[Tsuko_Asura]

That's not really indicative of much. Most English-speaking players wouldn't respond to you, either.

[Wakabo]

I sent a tell in Japanese saying hello but no reply.

[Byrthnoth]

These are testing number from wild rabbit in ronfaure. I was using daka+1, but aside from dex+10, the damage should be identical to twashtar, they have same dmg.

Tried to do a few 300% rudra storm tests, and the fTP is at least 7.24, probably 7.25 or 7.5? Maximum potential wise (at 100%), evisceration can get close, but remember with 5 hits and 1 offhand, you can only have 2 additional hits left. With rudra storm, while pretty rare, can proc 4 additional hits. Though I guess if all of those evis hits were to crit, it would still win?

Unless I just missed the second hit of rudra's storm 6 times in a row, this ws is one hit.

Evisc can be 8 hits (8.0 fTP) and they all can crit with a 30% DEX mod.
Rudra's (by your numbers) could get 9.5 fTP worth of hits, 4.5fTP worth that crit when on THF SAing (main hand crit, offhand, 4x additional hits from two triple attacks can't) with about a 30% DEX mod.

So Rudra's max damage potential is about the same or maybe a little lower on Thief, probably similar average damage inside Abyssea with Razed Ruins, because you can expect 3/5 of Evisceration's extra hits to crit on average (main hand forced, 4x additional hits, offhand), which gives it comparable stats. Dancer is my main concern though. Both the Average and Max for Rudra's would be lower for us than Evisceration (and probably Pyrrhic Kleos outside Abyssea). For DNC, it would potentially be a Pyrrhic Kleos replacement. PK is weird though, and I don't think the mods on wiki are right. It always does better than I'd expect given the reported mods. I'm honestly not convinced this would outdamage it.

[urat]

Does DA proc on single hit magic weaponskills (saber dance?)

If not, can it crit? If not then this weaponskill is probably not that great for dancer, Eviscration -> dancing edge -> eviscration is still hands down the best skillchain combo we have.

I guess for /nin RS -> evi might work, or RS -> RS for evasive mobs when you need FD up.

Seems like a pretty situational weaponskill to me.

[Atoreis]

Based on testing by someone with Revenant Fists +1 on Alla, Victory Smite appears to be 2.4 fTP, 50% Str. It's 4-hit, and crit rate varies with TP. Without Abyssea buffs, it's slightly better (maybe 5%) than Asuran Fists. With RR+SS atma and Abyssea buffs, it's about 75% better than Asuran.

Rough estimates place Revenant Fists +1 as on par with fire Taipan Fangs +1 outside Abyssea, and up to 20% better with Abyssea crit atma buffs.

Verethragna numbers with Victory Smite are just ridiculous, rating up to 30% better than Spharai with Abyssea buffs (though that was without tweaking gear).

Hmmm, Can You say exact numbers that Victory smite can make on Vere? Becouse taking those mods in abyssea with RR+VV atmas 2x double attacks would make its 7.4 fTP with possible 245str overall (thats 189base dmg) it would top around ... ekhm... 5500-6000. Should avg around 3500-4000.

[Rehn]

So I wanna start on some macc trial staves for wind and stuff. When it says "Defeat a set number of experience-yielding monsters afflicted with the prescribed elemental status ailment", am I suppose to kill it with choke or something?

[jimbobsonofgod]

So I wanna start on some macc trial staves for wind and stuff. When it says "Defeat a set number of experience-yielding monsters afflicted with the prescribed elemental status ailment", am I suppose to kill it with choke or something?

mob has to have the debuff on it when you kill it
so if its Wind based then choke or silence or gravity (not sure if helixes count)have to be applied when the mob dies.

[Rehn]

Sounds better than I thought, thanks.

[Raen Ryong]

is this katana person JP or NA and willing to do tests?

Bahamut server JP: will NOT talk to non-JPs for ANYTHING, ever.