Final Form Magian Weapons

[Malacite]

Stop posting.

This test's result is so clear that is hard to not understand it.

How about fuck you, not everyone who plays this game fully understands all the math behind the mechanics. Now granted maybe I should have asked about that in another thread (random questions or w/e) but being a dick doesn't help either.


I was asking because it looks like the WSC on these WS seem to all be really high.

[Atoreis]

How about fuck you, not everyone who plays this game fully understands all the math behind the mechanics. Now granted maybe I should have asked about that in another thread (random questions or w/e) but being a dick doesn't help either.


I was asking because it looks like the WSC on these WS seem to all be really high.

Asking stupid questions doesn't help either. From what I understand you thinks that WSC has cap? Maybe you thinking about fSTR?

Test showed that its clearly a DEX 2nd mod. Jump in dmg from adding STR was from fSTR at 71STR he was 3 points below fSTR cap.

[Malacite]

No what I was confused about was why adding more WSC boosted damage over adding more STR, when it's usually the other way around. My assumption was because the testing was done vs a lv 1 rabbit right? I know that fSTR can cap, just wanted clarification. It was hardly a stupid question, I just wanted a better understanding of how these new WS work as every single post about the damage range seems to indicate that the WSC are pumping damage more than STR (except when STR is the modifier like with Fudo).

How much testing has been done vs higher level enemies? I'd imagine that pumping more WSC mods wouldn't be as effective? (Except obviously when it's STR mod or in Rudra's case DEX since it's likely to be stacked with SA anyway)

[Tribe]

Side's on those same rabbits would be close to twice the damage yea? kind of disappointing.

[Raen Ryong]

Sidewinder is also one hit; only the first hit of the WS is landing there because the mob is dying too quickly.

[Langly]

No what I was confused about was why adding more WSC boosted damage over adding more STR, when it's usually the other way around. My assumption was because the testing was done vs a lv 1 rabbit right? I know that fSTR can cap, just wanted clarification. It was hardly a stupid question, I just wanted a better understanding of how these new WS work as every single post about the damage range seems to indicate that the WSC are pumping damage more than STR (except when STR is the modifier like with Fudo).

How much testing has been done vs higher level enemies? I'd imagine that pumping more WSC mods wouldn't be as effective? (Except obviously when it's STR mod or in Rudra's case DEX since it's likely to be stacked with SA anyway)

Harder mobs as in what exactly? Abyssean fiends? In abyssea you're going to be capping fSTR as well. These WS's are doing fantastically against higher level enemies.

[Atoreis]

Side's on those same rabbits would be close to twice the damage yea? kind of disappointing.

Like Kirschy and Raen said it's only first hit of the WS. Taking Kirschy's numbers RR atma and cruor buffs you looking at 3000 dmg with no crits (very unlikely with RR atma) and about 5000 with all 3 hits crits.

[FailureMidgard]

Like Kirschy and Raen said it's only first hit of the WS. Taking Kirschy's numbers RR atma and cruor buffs you looking at 3000 dmg with no crits (very unlikely with RR atma) and about 5000 with all 3 hits crits.

I'm really confused where you get your numbers from, because they seem to have 0 basis in reality. This is the 2nd WS that you've vastly over-exaggerated, and past that, a crit on a ranged attack without RR is +25%. 3k+25% is 3750. I haven't seen any testing done in particular done for RR. This is the second WS you've just thrown out complete bullshit numbers for though. The 1k+ listed numbers are going to be crits already...1.1k is going to be high end for the first hit really (noncrit), subsequent hits are going to be ~550 high end (noncrit), putting no crit under 2.5k most likely, crits jumping past 3k, but nowhere near 5k.

[Langly]

...subsequent hits are going to be ~550 high end (noncrit)...

I'd say closer to ~660 (With at least Razed Ruin), and if that IS the case, you'll find yourself hard pressed to not land at least 1 or 2 crits in the WS. Your point is still right, I don't think it's going to be 'omgwtf' ridiculous numbers but it certainly won't be shabby.

[FailureMidgard]

I'd say closer to ~660 (With at least Razed Ruin), and if that IS the case, you'll find yourself hard pressed to not land at least 1 or 2 crits in the WS. Your point is still right, I don't think it's going to be 'omgwtf' ridiculous numbers but it certainly won't be shabby.

My bad, left off WSC, but sure, 650 is reasonable...it's still under 2.5k, and I agree crits are quite likely, but there's also the fact capped attack does not mean capped ratio on every swing, the fact that you aren't sitting at permanently capped attack, and my main point isn't that the WS is bad (it's quite good inside Abyssea), but 3k damage without crits and 5k with aren't going to be normal numbers.

[Kirschy]

Should be pretti easy to figure out the estimated damage from this WS:

Weapon DMG: 91
Arrow DMG: 41 (Antlion Arrow. Yes better US ammo exists, but it's 3hit WS and I dunno how a 3hit Ranged WS works /w US.)
fSTR: 36

Base DEX we'll put at ~75.
Assume 40 DEX from cruor buffs.
50 from RR Atma.
(Going to assume a non-DEX atma for second buff such as R attk or VV.)
I haven't the slightest clue what a good Jinshu's build looks like for RNG, so I'm gonna assume you can fit 60 DEX in there for an optimal build.
Total DEX = 75 + 40 + 50 + 60 = 225

225*.6 (60% Mod) = 135
135*.85(WSC Alpha) = 114

91 + 41 + 36 + 114 = 282 Base damage

1.75 ftp for first hit, and 1.0 for the next two would be 3.75 ftp on those mods

3.75 * 282 = 1057 damage before pdif.

Let's assume capped attack and no-cratio. (Flashy shot!)

1057 * 3.0 = 3,171 damage with no crits

3,171 * 1.25 = 3,963 /w all crits. (and not counting the crit damage boost that RR gives. Has anyone tested that?)

3,963 * 1.25 = 4,954 /w all crits against piercing mobs. (not counting crit damage boost from RR)

Thats around the usual max damage you'll see from the WS in Abyssea~

[Langly]

(and not counting the crit damage boost that RR gives. Has anyone tested that?)

I don't think anyone has. I've been curious ever since I got it, but I myself wouldn't do it without ranged attacks and I'm no RNG. I've got an LS mate willing to help me out later this evening.

[Kirschy]

I don't think anyone has. I've been curious ever since I got it, but I myself wouldn't do it without ranged attacks and I'm no RNG. I've got an LS mate willing to help me out later this evening.

I am about to test it now =p

[Kirschy]

SAM/WAR using Killer Shortbow + Antlion Arrows. (39 DMG + 41 Arrow + 24 fSTR = 312 normal capped damage)

Used high STR setup /w Berserk + Red Curry Buns + SV Minuet IV + III. Had VV + RR Atma. (Maybe I should have used Khali instead of VV? Oh well.)

Non-crits: 304, 307, 301, 309
Crits: 495, 500, 484, 501, 491, 496, 503, 503

Avg non-crit: 305.25
Avg crit: 496.625

Ranged crits are 25% boost normalli. 305.25*1.25 = 381.5625 expected critical damage.

496.625/381.5626 = 1.3015 (30% increase)

Granted the sample size is small, ranged attacks are fairly consistent and I was right near the attack cap. Also the reason I chose the crit damage boost to be multiplicative is that it works this way for crit damage+ traits that jobs like war + drk get. I'm convinced the damage increase is 30%, as it fit with my expectations from parsing RR~

[Langly]

Thanks a ton Kirschy, I'm satisfied with how you tested it. All of my previous calcs were done with it at 30% and I had a notion it wasn't far off from that.

[Deader2818]

So, Atoreis tells someone to stop posting BS when he himself is posting BS?

[Jeryhn]

So, anyone on Blue Gartr forum tells someone to stop posting BS when he himself is posting BS?

Fixed this for you, seemed necessary.

[Thorny]

How about fuck you, not everyone who plays this game fully understands all the math behind the mechanics.

Not everyone who plays this game posts on BG either. 2 + 2.

[Atoreis]

So, Atoreis tells someone to stop posting BS when he himself is posting BS?

Its so funny that you posted that after Kirshy wrote almost the same numbers I did (her were higher becouse I took 200dex overall she took 220).

Failure seriously why can't you just calc yourself ? I know you can ...

Kirshy already wrote the math but for pure fun I will do it again:
Assuming 200 dex in abyssea (Thats probably very low with RR atma and cruor+30)
(200*0.85*0.6)+95(Gandiva)+41(antlion)+36(capped fstr2)=274
3hits no crits capped att - 3.75(ftp)*274*3(pdif)=3080(no bonus dmg from RR cuz no crits)
3hits all crits capped att - 3.75*274*3.75*1.3(bonus from RR to crits) = 5009

I dont remember 2nd WS I "vastly over-exaggerated" :/

[Malacite]

Not everyone who plays this game posts on BG either. 2 + 2.

Shove it up your ass already. Fucking ego trip much?

How do you add ppl to ignore list, as an aside? Also, I'd imagine that U.S. wouldn't work with a 3-hit WS. But here's a complementary kleenex for anyone who wants to test it out with an Aeolus Arrow.
EDIT: Nvm figured it out lol. Christ what an asshat...