Final Form Magian Weapons

[Chimerawizard]

I might have missed it but is Myrkr self only or is it small AoE mp recovered and status removal?

[Kilik]

Um, no. Gravitation is ok but to check its darkness or light you need to try it with itself or other WS that has light or darkness properities.

If Gravitation is ok, then Soil Gorget should work without it mattering whether the other property is Darkness or Light right?

[Taint]

I've always received superior seal drops when we get the blue !!.

I've had different results, Blue seems to add a very high chance for R/Ex equipment but never seemed to effect seal drops for my group.

[fredjanx]

Last night we had this happen on the rabbit nm...
http://i56.tinypic.com/2yx17hf.png
wtf?

[Dooom]

Doing Lizard in Miserable Coast earlier, triggered blue !!, got no seal drops at all. I'm convinced that grellow = seals, blue = equipment drops, at least on T1 NMs.

[Yugl]

I've had yellow !! and no seals before. One thing I might pose is the combination of Blue + Yellow !!. Whenever I trigger both, we always seem to get full drops.

[Atoreis]

Last night we had this happen on the rabbit nm...
http://i56.tinypic.com/2yx17hf.png
wtf?

Like blue !! on rare items yellow !! on seals are also not 100% it just boost drop rate a lot.

[Yugl]

Exactly. That's why I'm saying the assertion that "I've gotten blue !! without seal drops" does not necessarily mean blue !! has no impact on seal drops.

[aspekt]

it was just bad luck, even if blue and yellow boost drop rate to 99% there is still that 1% you wont get anything, and i have seen plenty of no dorp on those 2 example.

the only thing its 100% for us right now is atma.

edit: and according to JP, grellow = items, blue = equipment.

[Sin Harvest]

it was just bad luck, even if blue and yellow boost drop rate to 99% there is still that 1% you wont get anything, and i have seen plenty of no dorp on those 2 example.

the only thing its 100% for us right now is atma.

edit: and according to JP, grellow = items, blue = equipment.

8 Staggers on ovni and no bullwhip belt supports this.....

[Atoreis]

Im 100% sure yellow is seals and items for +2 af3 in new zones. 1 seal from yellow also doesnt mean it didnt work becouse you could got nothing.
Im 100% sure blue is for equipent too but its also not 99% more like 50-80%.
2 blue !! on Ovni - first bullwhip+body 2nd body
blue !! on hadhayosh - hands + something
3x blue !! on Gangly Gean - head, head, head+neck
blue !! on Kadraeth - nothing

[Motenten]

If Gravitation is ok, then Soil Gorget should work without it mattering whether the other property is Darkness or Light right?

Correct.

[Atoreis]

Edit: All were Sneak Attack'd

Base: 85str, 78 dex, 74agi
Gear: 21str, 4dex, 10agi
Total: 106str, 82dex, 84agi

1200 - low
1290
1284
1285
1347 - high
1300
1296
1307
1309
1290
1301
1327
1285
1300
1339

low = 1200, avg = 1297, high = 1347

soil

1263
1237
1236
1308
1211
1203
1341
1358
1190 - low
1344
1348
1369
1296
1375 - high
1358

low = 1190, avg = 1295, high = 1375

Ok since none is doing this I tried.
Im doing this first time but from my math its fTP 4.0 and AGI 60% mod.

84*0.6*0.85=42
Base dmg is 52
fSTR is 13
52+42+13=107
107*3.15*4=1348 ( Your max was 1347)
107*3.15*4.1= 1381 (Your max with gorget was 1375)

Now if understand this right dual wield will add +1 to fTP? and DA another +1 for 6.1 total fTP with main+sub+da?

[Cybaster]

30% AGI and 5.0 fTP fits better. I hope he's not using any crit enhancing gear.

(65 + WSC) * fTP = 1347/3.15
WSC = (427.62/fTP) - 65

(65 + WSC) * (fTP + 0.1) = 1375/3.15
...
427.62/fTP * 0.1 = 8.88
427.62/fTP = 88.8
88.8fTP = 427.62
fTP = ~4.815540540540541

WSC = (427.62/fTP) - 65
WSC = 23.79999999999999
Mod = (23.79999999999999 / 0.85) / 84
Mod = ~33%

From his number, the mod is ~33% AGI and ~4.815540540540541 fTP. If we use 30% AGI, the fTP is 4.988888888888889, or 5.

Using 30% AGI and 5.0 fTP (exact same as slug shot):

86 * 5.0 * 3.15 = 1354. His damage: 1347
86 * 5.1 * 3.15 = 1379. His damage: 1375

So this means slug shot description was never a typo! It was meant to be misleading all along.

[Atoreis]

30% AGI and 5.0 fTP fits better. I hope he's not using any crit enhancing gear.

(65 + WSC) * fTP = 1347/3.15
WSC = (427.62/fTP) - 65

(65 + WSC) * (fTP + 0.1) = 1375/3.15
...
427.62/fTP * 0.1 = 8.88
427.62/fTP = 88.8
88.8fTP = 427.62
fTP = ~4.815540540540541

WSC = (427.62/fTP) - 65
WSC = 23.79999999999999
Mod = (23.79999999999999 / 0.85) / 84
Mod = ~33%

From his number, the mod is ~33% AGI and ~4.815540540540541 fTP. If we use 30% AGI, the fTP is 4.988888888888889, or 5.

Using 30% AGI and 5.0 fTP (exact same as slug shot):

86 * 5.0 * 3.15 = 1354. His damage: 1347
86 * 5.1 * 3.15 = 1379. His damage: 1375

So this means slug shot description was never a typo! It was meant to be misleading all along.

I like my numbers more and I dont see how yours fit better but like I said never tried this. Easy solution add 20-30 Agi and make another sample of WS ^^

Also the guy with Tobi+1 did 4277 Blade:hi and with your numbers max he could make with his setup would be 4080.

[Kilik]

I did a fully geared (minus soil gorget) Hi on rabbits and did 2020 dmg. This number only fits with the 4fTP and 60% agi. Its too high for the 5fTP and 30% agi. The gear totals to 148 agi and 15% crit hit dmg (kamome and qirmiz tathlum).

4fTP, 60% agi max:
(65+148*.85*.6)*4.0*3.15*1.15 = 2035

5fTP, 30% agi max:
(65+148*.85*.3)*5.0*3.15*1.15 = 1860

[Cybaster]

60% AGI and 4.0 fTP differs too much from the deduced equation of ~33% AGI and ~4.815540540540541 fTP, and that part wasn't a guesswork. Though it's largely based on the sample size, looking again at your number, it seems that you have lower minimum and average damage from using soil gorget?

[Kilik]

Yea the numbers were lower with soil gorget on. That's why I kept asking about WS properties because it wasn't what I was expecting. If Gravitation is one, I haven't found the other property yet. Acetics > Hi is Gravitation. So is Metatro > Hi. I was thinking it was gonna be like Catastrophe (darkness/grav) so I tried Full break > hi (since Full > Cata is darkness) but that didn't make any SC (unless i changed gear too fast, but I thought about that and waited a few seconds. Are there any WS that are Light/Gravitation?

[Byrthnoth]

Yours could be the first. Skillchain properties don't exactly make sense. (Namas is Light/Distortion, etc.) Have you tried Nin/Sam Sekka Hi -> Hi for Darkness or Light?

Regardless, it's definitely Gravitation (Ascetic's -> Hi) so Soil gorget should work. I don't know why it'd lower your WS damage. That doesn't really make any sense.

[Atoreis]

60% AGI and 4.0 fTP differs too much from the deduced equation of ~33% AGI and ~4.815540540540541 fTP, and that part wasn't a guesswork. Though it's largely based on the sample size, looking again at your number, it seems that you have lower minimum and average damage from using soil gorget?

Idk if I understand you right but I dont see how my numbers dont fit. They fit better then yours on orginal samples.

1347=(WSC*3.15*fTP)+(65*3.15*fTP)
1347/3.15=WSC*fTP+65*fTP
427=WSC*fTP+65*fTP
427/fTP=WSC+65
From here imo its pure quess. I assume you made your math on difference with and w/o gorget? Its pretty missleading on that small sample.

If you put 4fTP above its
106=65+WSC
WSC=106-65
WSC=41

x*0.85*0.6=41
x=41/0.85/0*6
x=80
Difference from 80 and 84 (agi) that he has is from rounding this math several times on the way.

Also his highest w/o gorget was 1347 and with gorget 1375.
1375-1347=28

For agi 30%:
0.1(84*0.3*0.85+65)*3.15=0.1*86*3.15=8*3.15=25 (roundingdown on every "=" )
For agi 60%:
0.1*107*3.15=10*3,15=31

Its more chance that he could make 3 dmg more with gorget and 60%agi rather then he exeed by 3 what he could make with 30%agi