Final Form Magian Weapons

**Atoreis** · 2010-10-29 11:01

Originally Posted by Byrthnoth

Yours could be the first. Skillchain properties don't exactly make sense. (Namas is Light/Distortion, etc.) Have you tried Nin/Sam Sekka Hi -> Hi for Darkness or Light?

Regardless, it's definitely Gravitation (Ascetic's -> Hi) so Soil gorget should work. I don't know why it'd lower your WS damage. That doesn't really make any sense.

First of all I dont know why you guys making so big thing about soil gorget. With changing pdif its not realy hard to get lower avg and lower dmg on 4.1 then 4.0 on so small sample. Important is that his max dmg with gorget was higher and it fits 60% agi and 4.0 fTP also.

Second of all there is nothing new in WS with first SC prop. that has corellation with Darkness SC( I mean Gravitation or Distortion) and 2nd SC prop. is Light not Darkness. Fudo for example is Light/Distortion so there wouldnt be anything suprising with :Hi being Light/Gravitation and its so easy to test using Hi>Hi with sekkanoki,wing,etc.

**Cybaster** · 2010-10-29 12:10

The sample is too small, yes. But using it to figure out the equation is no more misleading than using it to try to guesstimate modifier to fit. If the pdif variance is too great on his sample then it also invalidates your number because anything inbetween can fit (e.g 50% AGI 4.5 fTP, just random number I choose that fit on all 3 max damage). We don't know how close both number are to max damage. He simply need to do more testing.

**Atoreis** · 2010-10-29 12:18

Btw, back to the topic of KI farm for Bria. The Catapult Gigas is pretty tough for my duo NIN+RDM. I wiped 2 times on him. Catapult dmg raises with his hp decreasing and its very unfriendly for this type of lowman. Stun from shock spikes is pretty potent too. Fight is easy for first 60% when Catapult do around 200-600 but when he starting to do 1000+ its very hard to finish it off with constant stun from spikes. I also cant ws kill it or I will get ruby that would ruin the run overtime. Hate reset doesnt halp either if it make it on low hp RDM is nearly dead before I get hate back after previous cure spam after catapults. I will have BRD soon to trio it and I saw it misses some Catapults when i was in Evasion equip so maybe 2x mambo will work. Any suggestions?

**Atoreis** · 2010-10-29 12:22

Originally Posted by Cybaster

The sample is too small, yes. But using it to figure out the equation is no more misleading than using it to try to guesstimate modifier to fit. If the pdif variance is too great on his sample then it also invalidates your number because anything inbetween can fit (e.g 50% AGI 4.5 fTP, just random number I choose that fit on all 3 max damage). We don't know how close both number are to max damage. He simply need to do more testing.

True, but quadruple dmg can really means what it should means and both dmg difference between gorget and non gorget and max dmg with full equip exceed max possible numbers he would have with 30% agi by great margin.

**Cybaster** · 2010-10-29 13:11

After seeing the new WS number, I don't think it's still 30% AGI 5 fTP. As for fTP matching the description, we still don't know what that actually means, but it have been fTP+1-2 from the advertised value. If I have to guess again it would be around 40% AGI 5fTP or 30% AGI 5.5 fTP

**Malacite** · 2010-10-29 13:57

Blue !! is for equipment right?

So wouldn't Yellow !! be ideal for gems?

**Atoreis** · 2010-10-29 14:01

Originally Posted by Cybaster

After seeing the new WS number, I don't think it's still 30% AGI 5 fTP. As for fTP matching the description, we still don't know what that actually means, but it have been fTP+1-2 from the advertised value. If I have to guess again it would be around 40% AGI 5fTP or 30% AGI 5.5 fTP

So why not 60% agi and 4.0? Just to be staborn? :D

**Eanae** · 2010-10-29 14:34

Originally Posted by Malacite

Blue !! is for equipment right?

So wouldn't Yellow !! be ideal for gems?

Welcome to two months ago? =/

**Kilik** · 2010-10-30 00:11

Code:

[00:58:04]Kilik uses Blade: Hi. 
[00:58:04]Baba Yaga takes 4489 points of damage.

Still missing Loki's for another 5% crit dmg too.

Edit: Namas > Hi = Darkness

**ChronicCettness** · 2010-10-30 01:56

Just unlocked Harrier +1(For Jishnu's Radiance) yesterday played around with it today. I know it's not the first mentioning of it on this thread but would anyone like my first attempt at collecting numbers for it? (Mind you i just totally guessed how to conduct this test and kept things as controlled as I could).

**Scrooge** · 2010-10-30 01:59

Is the alpha value adjustment at lvl.85 for WS equations unchanged from lvl.80?

I don't recall seeing anything about it since the update, and wondering if everyone's just dmg calculating off the assumption it's still 0.85 or if it's been confirmed?

**Kirschy** · 2010-10-30 02:16

Originally Posted by Scrooge

Is the alpha value adjustment at lvl.85 for WS equations unchanged from lvl.80?

I don't recall seeing anything about it since the update, and wondering if everyone's just dmg calculating off the assumption it's still 0.85 or if it's been confirmed?

I confirmed it using Sidewinder on SAM outside Bastok. .85 makes the calculations work~

**Wakabo** · 2010-10-30 05:57

Saw this shiny staff.

**Atoreis** · 2010-10-30 07:23

Originally Posted by Kilik

Code:

[00:58:04]Kilik uses Blade: Hi. 
[00:58:04]Baba Yaga takes 4489 points of damage.

Still missing Loki's for another 5% crit dmg too.

Edit: Namas > Hi = Darkness

Namas > Hi = Darkness only tells again that :Hi is Gravitation lol. Just do Hi -> Hi with sekkanoki XD or simply do Hi after Light or after Darkness SCs to make double light or double darkness.

Impressive dmg but expected from my calc :D I assume RR+SS? Hmmm 572 crit looks like its not with SS but RR+VV. That would mean my math is right and with RR+SS you could easily break 5k with DA+Crits on main+sub+da

**Atoreis** · 2010-10-30 07:45

Originally Posted by Wakabo

Saw this shiny staff.

Spoiler: show

Attribute: "Grats" :D:D:D:D:D

**Atoreis** · 2010-10-30 08:00

Thorny you finished Verethragna already? There is a guy on my server with WoE h2h and he is saying with VV+RR he did 5600 to some doomed VT and 4500 to lord varney. I wonder whats your numbers looks like. This guy also has a set that is still far from perfect.

**Elien** · 2010-10-30 08:23

To whomever has H2H Empyrean or katana finished.

Just wanted to ask very quickly about the ODD Aftermath. Does this aftermath work on both hands for these weapons, and on kick attacks for MNK? I'd understand if the katana aftermath only applies to main hand since its two different weapons, but if it doesnt reply to mnk's second hand that would be very....frustrating!

**Kincard** · 2010-10-30 08:43

Namas > Hi = Darkness only tells again that :Hi is Gravitation lol. Just do Hi -> Hi with sekkanoki XD or simply do Hi after Light or after Darkness SCs to make double light or double darkness.

It's Darkness.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...ios/HiDark.png

**Atoreis** · 2010-10-30 09:57

Thorny check PM w/e you can please ^^

**pnavaja** · 2010-10-30 10:25

Seeing those low dmg Blade : Hi outside of Abyssea and seeing how the pics posted for Quietus where outside abyssea and low dmg too ive got a question.

Do all the new Ws are affected by RR atma to increase their dmg or whats the deal to make them do sooooo much higher dmg inside abyssea?

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