Final Form Magian Weapons

[Plow]

Seeing those low dmg Blade : Hi outside of Abyssea and seeing how the pics posted for Quietus where outside abyssea and low dmg too ive got a question.

Do all the new Ws are affected by RR atma to increase their dmg or whats the deal to make them do sooooo much higher dmg inside abyssea?

VV in combination with RR is what makes the crazy numbers for the ones that can crit inside abyssea. If you need an explanation why...

[Kincard]

For the record I just threw on whatever for that screenshot, so I wasn't stacking AGI, and I don't have any crit damage+ stuff at the moment.

Outside Abyssea, Blade: Hi is probably only a bit better than Jin. The 5k damage or whatever screenshots might be a bit misleading for people who don't understand the context, they'll just assume the WSs are god tier. Then again, I guess people around here should know better.

[Malacite]

Wouldn't SS be better than VV for any crit WS? VV adds a lot of STR & DA yes, but does that really win over 30% crit damage?

Also I would imagine that SA (Stout Arm) + VV would be best for non crit WS? Makes me wonder just how crazy the Atma in heroes will be (pretty sure we can expect a 3rd Lunar too)

Finally what's up with that 1st :Hi being a good 400 points lower? DA proc on 2nd?


EDIT: GOD DAMN stupid typo. Meant to say SS better than VV, geez musta been tried when I posted this sorry. Yeah, I meant wouldn't the extra 30% crit damage outweigh the STR & Attack?

[chazzyphizzle]

why would SS be better than RR

[Atoreis]

Wouldn't SS be better than RR for any crit WS? VV adds a lot of STR & DA yes, but does that really win over 30% crit damage?

Also I would imagine that SA (Stout Arm) + VV would be best for non crit WS? Makes me wonder just how crazy the Atma in heroes will be (pretty sure we can expect a 3rd Lunar too)

Finally what's up with that 1st :Hi being a good 400 points lower? DA proc on 2nd?

I would say stop posting but...
SS could win with VV on Kannagi and its situacional and probably wont win on any job/ws that has advantage from 50 STR on fSTR or WSC.
Probably Chloris is better then Stout Arm for WS itself but thats also situacional dependings on buffs.
First Hi was non crit 2nd was.

[NynJa]

but if it doesnt reply to mnk's second hand that would be very....frustrating!

Why would it be frustrating? Relic doesnt proc on mnk offhand, and I dont believe magian does either.

Seeing those low dmg Blade : Hi outside of Abyssea and seeing how the pics posted for Quietus where outside abyssea and low dmg too ive got a question.

Do all the new Ws are affected by RR atma to increase their dmg or whats the deal to make them do sooooo much higher dmg inside abyssea?

I dont know, maybe its because in abyssea, at this point, without any food/other buffs, you're practically rolling with 200 STR, 800 attack, and an epic crit rate atma for crit WS's?

[Obsidian]

Fairly sure OAT magian procs on both hands. Relic/Mythic aftermath doesn't though.

[Karbuncle]

Why would it be frustrating? Relic doesnt proc on mnk offhand, and I dont believe magian does either.


I dont know, maybe its because in abyssea, at this point, without any food/other buffs, you're practically rolling with 200 STR, 800 attack, and an epic crit rate atma for crit WS's?

Magnus Sainti work on both hands (Ammo: Occ.Deals Double Damage) so theres at least a small hope the Empyreon weapons will.

So do Magian Weapons (Occ.Atk.2x/2x-3x )

[Atoreis]

Why would it be frustrating? Relic doesnt proc on mnk offhand

So you saying that relic not procing on 2nd hand isnt frustrating?

[EjinCaitsith]

There was talk in Empy Armor thread about super crits with Masa/AF+2. I didn't believe it... until today. WoE, Conflux 5, 1609 crit on boss, when normal ODD crits were doing 650-700. Maybe it was the berserker's drink, but I've used the drink and tonic many times before in WoE and Abyssea and never saw this before.

http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/7...1030172826.png

[Kilik]

Those Blade: Hi numbers were done with RR+Gnarled Horn atmas. The AGI and extra Crit Rate help keep the WS average up. I originally started with RR+SS for max dmg from the 2 Major Crit DMG bonuses, but SS doesn't do anything for your WS if you don't crit. The extra crit rate from Gnarled Horn also brought my crit rate from 58%ish to 76%.

[pnavaja]

VV in combination with RR is what makes the crazy numbers for the ones that can crit inside abyssea. If you need an explanation why...

Reason i ask is because description doesnt say those new WS can critical and i dont know if they can, so if they cant critical RR should not pump the numbers as much, so pretty much i wanna if all the new WS can critical or if only a few or what?

[Kilik]

Some do say they can crit:

Description: Deals quadruple damage. Chance of critical hit varies with TP. Kannagi: Aftermath

[Atoreis]

Reason i ask is because description doesnt say those new WS can critical and i dont know if they can, so if they cant critical RR should not pump the numbers as much, so pretty much i wanna if all the new WS can critical or if only a few or what?

Maybe first check few things then write, becouse you just wrote a lot of bullshit.

[Atoreis]

Those Blade: Hi numbers were done with RR+Gnarled Horn atmas. The AGI and extra Crit Rate help keep the WS average up. I originally started with RR+SS for max dmg from the 2 Major Crit DMG bonuses, but SS doesn't do anything for your WS if you don't crit. The extra crit rate from Gnarled Horn also brought my crit rate from 58%ish to 76%.

Yeah I like this atma on MNK too.
Its pretty solid but since I duo a lot I like 30% hp and 20 or 30 enmity from SS too.

[macross]

Thorny you finished Verethragna already? There is a guy on my server with WoE h2h and he is saying with VV+RR he did 5600 to some doomed VT and 4500 to lord varney. I wonder whats your numbers looks like. This guy also has a set that is still far from perfect.

5600 with what buffs and sub though? With rev + 1 and /nin, temp drinks, dragon steak, I've hit 4999 vs IT murex, with VV+RR. so 5600 should be doable easily with cor + brd and /war.

[Aurara]

The mnk who finished h2h on my server said he was doing between 2800-5000, and his gear is pretty much perfect

[Atoreis]

I tried Chloris with mnk + rdm and it was a joke fight till it used doom... 5 hallowed water 3 holy water 4 cursna and nothing. RDM hold for 4min + and died ported to jeuno and come back whle I hold on mnk with potions. It used doom again and same story. This doom is a fucking bullshit. RDM had 282 healing magic. RDM just said he actually did Chainspell cursna.... Fucking doom.

[Thorny]

Either you're exaggerating or you got really unlucky, in 50 buds I died to doom twice.. and both were caused by terror soon after stopping my holy water spam.

[Atoreis]

Either you're exaggerating or you got really unlucky, in 50 buds I died to doom twice.. and both were caused by terror soon after stopping my holy water spam.

I wish I am exaggerating but my inventory not lying I had full stack of holy water and few hallowed and only 4 holy water left. I still have chat log from 2nd doom since I went sleep after that and I used 4 holy water (was terrorized for like 3 sec while counting) and RDM used chainspell at 7 and casted 5 cursna. On first doom then it was at least 4 holy water + few hallowed + cursna spam. Maybe im cursed on Bukhis I solo tanked almost whole fight and died at 2% from doom too (I used 7 holy water + few cursna) but at least I got raised before someone finish it off and we all got SS