Final Form Magian Weapons

[Mafai]

Realistically the lowest you could go is MNK + WHM and get most of your actual triggers off the AH, kill the mobs manually. Chukwa is fine on MNK too, just WS during it's casts or when it's out of shell.

It's very impractical, if you can swing 3 people or have a mule, RDM SMN WAR can farm a pop every couple hours off of amber and you can job change to kill the chlorises with WHM MNK easily. WHM MNK could probably sustain infinite TEs while farming amber as well, just a matter of speed really.. the mobs aren't an issue, time(both rl and visitant) is.

Did you box farm your key items, or spam the pop item NMs for them?

Looking to work on canyon and seeing the how many items each key item NM requires is lame, and most of them aren't available on the AH on Ifrit.

After a quick glance, your AH suggestion would be a slow and painful path to take (knowing you suggested that for limited numbers). Do you think walking around and getting everyone pop items for each key NM would outperform box farming (knowing you can 100% key with NIN / WAR).

I read you speaking about cleave burning, what exactly is it, and how is it pulled off? Does it involve the SMN spamming PD you referenced in your thank yous?

Its looking like box farming and having mules / friends come to grab key items while getting free xp might be the best way due to how many items each NM requires.

[Thorny]

Cleave burning is just a way to kill faster, like -ga farming/etc. Cap amber/azure, farm something that doesn't produce ruby, maximize killspeed. Q_Q when it takes forever, repeat until finished. The mass amount of NMs required to complete sets that way combined with the timed pops makes it pretty impractical comparatively :/

[Erlayn]

Sexy Thornyy. Grats on the H2H. I can't wait for my Katana to be done.

~Erl

[Hitoseijuro]

Cleave burning is just a way to kill faster, like -ga farming/etc. Cap amber/azure, farm something that doesn't produce ruby, maximize killspeed. Q_Q when it takes forever, repeat until finished. The mass amount of NMs required to complete sets that way combined with the timed pops makes it pretty impractical comparatively :/

Ya our shell usually has 4ppl go out and box farm with a few other members leeching some jobs, while the other group goes around farming KIs from pops/NMs or farm items/seals/gems etc. May not be the most efficient way to do things but it gets the job done. Although it will be all too soon before our shell would like to see another Pixie again....

[ceown]

Long time lurker first time poster...

Since people are discussing lowman strats to farm their items here as I assume like me most of you can't get a shell to focus just on your hunts due to all the others wanting to do their weapons, I'm looking for some advice to do mine.

Looking to do the Gambanteinn and haven't seen a whole lot of data on it. I have fought fistule with my shell a few times and managed to snag some of his discharges. Even managed to get me a Bukhis's Wing to hold onto once trial 1601 is done (so says moogle.) However understandably the sams and darks are a tad more important to get theirs done so I'm left to alternatives should I want to complete this before the sun dies.

Any low man strats people can think of? The lottery NM to drag over to him is the hardest part of this me thinks. This in of itself isn't an issue as I can waste time soloing them to pop it.

A whm, a tank, and a DD or two could probably do fistule in of himself. The sticky part of the fight is dealing with the Pustule spawns. My shell attempted to kite them and did best with a smn, however due to their speed, and wonky hate, they'd occasionally come back to beat on the pld or me when curing the pld, then run back off after the kiter. After a few of these randomish beatings it was just simpler for me to let them kill me and cure the tank while weakened.

I'm looking for an idea that's a bit more clean that doens't involve killing everyone but the tank off multiple times. Or a better way to pin the hate on the kiters and keeping them alive. We tried to diaga them and sac them. They came right back for the pld once they slaughtered the annoyance. So either the person doing it fumbled a seemingly simple task somehow, they they can't be dealt with that way.

Alternativly if anyone is on Quetzalcoatl and their shell doesn't care about the fistule discharge drops, I'd be very interested in negotiations.

[Fievel]

It isn't that people can't get their LS's to do it for them, it's the simple fact that it'd be extremely rude and asking way too much from lsmates and friends. Not saying people don't do it, but most wont.

Fistule is easy, mnk, healer, and any job that can grab the adds quick with something like diaga and just run to sac so they depop

Also: otherwiki says his adds move at flee speed, from my experience with him they dont. Possibly a little movement speed, but nothing ambition couldnt handle.

I also just reread your post and realized I told you to do exactly what you said you've already tried, but it works, I've done it before, so get people that suck less

drunk post GO

[ceown]

Thanks for the quick reply.

And you are correct on all points there. Including the it'd be rude as hell to demand it. Hence the exploring on my own options.

I kinda figured the people doing the kiting\sac weren't used to doing it but couldn't verify as I couldn't watch them as I was the only healer for that run. I couldn't figure out why the sac method wasn't working as I've seen it work in almost identical situations unless they had gimped something up, and it sounds like you've got experiance of it working. Which means that dealing with the spawns becomes a trival item.

[Fievel]

Thanks for the quick reply.

And you are correct on all points there. Including the it'd be rude as hell to demand it. Hence the exploring on my own options.

I kinda figured the people doing the kiting\sac weren't used to doing it but couldn't verify as I couldn't watch them as I was the only healer for that run. I couldn't figure out why the sac method wasn't working as I've seen it work in almost identical situations unless they had gimped something up, and it sounds like you've got experiance of it working. Which means that dealing with the spawns becomes a non trival item.

iirc correctly the person taking the mobs just ran until they depoped, I solo tanked on mnk with 0 chance of death, as you said in your first post Fistule himself is a simple mob.

[Ramses]

Thanks for the quick reply.

And you are correct on all points there. Including the it'd be rude as hell to demand it. Hence the exploring on my own options.

I kinda figured the people doing the kiting\sac weren't used to doing it but couldn't verify as I couldn't watch them as I was the only healer for that run. I couldn't figure out why the sac method wasn't working as I've seen it work in almost identical situations unless they had gimped something up, and it sounds like you've got experiance of it working. Which means that dealing with the spawns becomes a non trival item.

They don't run anywhere near flee speed. I outrun them on thf with just trotter boots. Also, you don't have to sac them, they will despawn pretty quickly if you just pull them far enough away. They don't despawn forever, however. He will resummon them a few times, but you can easily despawn them every time with a thf or anyone with 12% movement pulling them away.

[ceown]

Ah I see, thats perhaps where the issue came into play. The person pulled them some distance, then ended up dying. Not sure if it was intentional or not. Much thanks for the information.

[EjinCaitsith]

http://img576.imageshack.us/img576/9905/maschu1.png

Ukko's WS animation was worth the effort of getting it alone.

Wiki doesn't have it listed and i can't recall it being mentioned, but fairly sure Ukko's WS properties are light/frag(same as kaiten).

[Tribe]

Long time lurker first time poster...

Since people are discussing lowman strats to farm their items here as I assume like me most of you can't get a shell to focus just on your hunts due to all the others wanting to do their weapons, I'm looking for some advice to do mine.

Looking to do the Gambanteinn and haven't seen a whole lot of data on it. I have fought fistule with my shell a few times and managed to snag some of his discharges. Even managed to get me a Bukhis's Wing to hold onto once trial 1601 is done (so says moogle.) However understandably the sams and darks are a tad more important to get theirs done so I'm left to alternatives should I want to complete this before the sun dies.

Any low man strats people can think of? The lottery NM to drag over to him is the hardest part of this me thinks. This in of itself isn't an issue as I can waste time soloing them to pop it.

A whm, a tank, and a DD or two could probably do fistule in of himself. The sticky part of the fight is dealing with the Pustule spawns. My shell attempted to kite them and did best with a smn, however due to their speed, and wonky hate, they'd occasionally come back to beat on the pld or me when curing the pld, then run back off after the kiter. After a few of these randomish beatings it was just simpler for me to let them kill me and cure the tank while weakened.

I'm looking for an idea that's a bit more clean that doens't involve killing everyone but the tank off multiple times. Or a better way to pin the hate on the kiters and keeping them alive. We tried to diaga them and sac them. They came right back for the pld once they slaughtered the annoyance. So either the person doing it fumbled a seemingly simple task somehow, they they can't be dealt with that way.

Alternativly if anyone is on Quetzalcoatl and their shell doesn't care about the fistule discharge drops, I'd be very interested in negotiations.

I know this has had an answer but wanted to give mine aswell because we are currently working on the Bow for an LS mate. Fistule is a bitch to pop, we have gotten 12 discharges so far and its taken close to 7 hours just for those, starters on Guimave is your completely at his will for when he pops, we tried using wiki's info for place holders, and its wrong only efficient way to pop him is just kill all the puddings. The biggest time sink is obviously Guimave. Fistule is a huge push over, we dont have a super Mnk in the shell and Me being a Sam tank have done it just fine but we had a bad adds puller so we switched to Pld Rdmx2. One rdm/nin other one needs to keep stoneskin up and be ready to pull adds. The Adds are slow Diaga and run they dont depop with time but rather distance from fistule. Problem with depopping is also running through agro-tive mobs to depop but really isnt an issue. Sometimes also because you are pretty far away to get them to despawn he can respawn them before the first Rdm is back, Pld can solo Fistule if it wasnt for adds so its fine for the other Rdm to grab adds while first one returns.

Buhkis isnt bad at all honestly, We kite him and I mean his KI mobs are pretty straight forward. I do wish you luck on finishing once you get past fistule its all down hill.

[takito09]

Buhkis kited =o .... i would appreciate if u talk more about that pleease ^^;

[Aurara]

Why would you kite Buhkis?

[Atoreis]

Why would you kite Buhkis?

Probably no good tanks avaible

[Guitarman]

or just lowman

[6souls]

Grats to Sucineri on Masa

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e2...M/Sucimasa.jpg

and Damnit on Kannagi

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e2...uM/kannagi.jpg

despite the first image, they are both complete. blame n00b cats for taking pics.

[EjinCaitsith]

Got to try out Maschu +1 tonight in abyssea. I am beyond amazed with Ukko's Fury. 4K was common, 5-6K was possible with out 200-300% tp. Overall average for the night was 3.5K. Ukko's Low/High of 872/5870, Fudo's 527/3861.

This is a parse of 13 Kukulkan we did tonight(most controlled fight buff wise). Alihasan is 85 Masamune. Only 1 brd(marches) and no cor. Had stalwart's almost every fight.
http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/4980/kukuparse.png

Final thoughts.... stop farming caras and start farming glavoids! But really, 85 empy GA would wipe the floor with masa and every other empy(pure dmg wise). This is coming from someone who has 85 Masa.

[Fievel]

Holy fucking christ O.o

[Thorny]

Not so impressed, maybe if you're sitting at >200% tp a lot for whatever reason. Smite averaged ~3k during my preliminary parse with highs over 5k, and that was without proper gear or any buffs/dia and a downward skew due to overkilling mobs and losing hits frequently. Doesn't look bad, but to say it wipes the floor with every other empy when half of them haven't even been reported yet is laughable. Still been meaning to do a more controlled one, but haven't had an opportunity with support I wouldn't be multiboxing.