Final Form Magian Weapons

[Poby]

Was wondering if theres anything I can do to lower endark resist rate. Does the 50 INT atma help? or Is it solely based off what dark magic gear its casted in

[Plow]

I mentioned that 5hit setup weeks ago for someone else.. honestly, not sure your point. I've considered everything you said and monk still comes out ahead in all of my calculations.. it's not a personal attachment of any sort, I have WAR and I have all the gear needed for that setup. You vastly overestimate retaliation, unless you're the only DD worth a damn in your group. You need to keep in mind that WS still take two seconds to use.

The thing is that 5 hit on a tanking war makes self-skillchains happen all the damn time. With capped haste you barely even need the retals/da's to make it happen.

And you of all people should understand, why bother being the only dd worth a damn when you can just be the only dd >.>

Also pretty sure the odd is going to be way in war's favor with mnk not being able to proc on half their swings.

[Andradi]

Was wondering if theres anything I can do to lower endark resist rate. Does the 50 INT atma help? or Is it solely based off what dark magic gear its casted in

Should be the latter, same as any other dark magic spell. Get more/skill dark magic up harder (magic accuracy might help, too). Mobs like bats which resist dark based magic (like bats) make it useless.

[Dooom]

Pretty sure MNK ODD procs on off-hand with the empy weapon.

[Atoreis]

Well I made some virtual parse of 5 min fight and MNK/nin Emp actually lose to Ukonvasara war/sam (hasso fulltime) and to Kannagi nin/war also. What you forgeting Thorny is that Mnk/nin has 15%da with VV and WAR has 37%. W/o counting merits and retaliation and assuming:
WAR pdif 2.0 avg ws 3000 VV+RR
MNK pdif 2.0 avg ws 3000 VV+RR
NIN pdif 2.0 avg ws 2000 RR+SS
Which probably highly favor MNK (same pdif for 2h weapon with berserk and mnk/nin is probably unrealistic ) and a little favor NIN pdif too.
In 5 min with march + march and haste:
WAR 160k dmg
MNK 153k dmg
NIN 168k dmg

I made 6 hit on Ukon becouse I cant see it being 5hit with 482 daley.
This not include Regain from VV and imo NIN even that he won he still has too low avg ws in this math.
I probably could make some or many mistakes but I tried

[Byrthnoth]

Durability is how Monk shines. Even MNK/WAR is a lot more durable than Hasso/Retaliationing WAR/SAM. More HP, Counter, Perfect Counter, Counterstance, (lolguard), etc. All they give up is Parrying (5% floored rate on everything from my parses).

[Plow]

Nin is a whole different beast to calculate, too, and at this point I'm wondering if in abyssea oa3 isn't the best offhand to pair with kannagi.

[Snprphnx]

I always assumed all MNK weapons proc'd on both hands. Reason being, even though you have one on each hand, they are both technically in the Main Equipment slot, unlike an axe or katana, that the 2nd weapon fills the sub-weapon slot

[Gokku]

i just picked up rev fists+1 today and im doing upwards of 2400+ outside of abbysea Smite > Smite is light i tested it /sam , this has also made me rethink how mnk/sam with smite could do in all situations i mean 2k >> 2k + light for 2.2-2.5ish every 3 mins isnt bad. also would give a monk in stp a 15 hit setup. or basicly the equiv of a 7-8 hit.

[Atoreis]

Nin is a whole different beast to calculate, too, and at this point I'm wondering if in abyssea oa3 isn't the best offhand to pair with kannagi.

Highly doubt. On my virtual parse 120k was from melee and 48k from WS and Kamome is 13DPS and 2-3 is 11DPS on top of that Kamome gives 8acc 8att and increase 57% of melee hits by 10% and probably 70% WSs by 10%.

[Soho]

Highly doubt. On my virtual parse 120k was from melee and 48k from WS and Kamome is 13DPS and 2-3 is 11DPS on top of that Kamome gives 8acc 8att and increase 57% of melee hits by 10% and probably 70% WSs by 10%.

What about OA2 vs Kamome for Offhand?

[Atoreis]

What about OA2 vs Kamome for Offhand?

Gonna check it later but its gonna be probably much better then 2-3 but still its cutting many hits of Kannagi with its 232 daley and Kannagi is a dps machine with aftermath up. Also OAt has no other bonus but I will check.

Ok Kamome should win by 8%.

[Soho]

Gonna check it later but its gonna be probably much better then 2-3 but still its cutting many hits of Kannagi with its 232 daley and Kannagi is a dps machine with aftermath up. Also OAt has no other bonus but I will check.

Ok Kamome should win by 8%.

What if you have the WoE Katana with Blade: Hi instead of the Kannagi? Does removing the Aftermath make OA2 a better offhand option?

[Atoreis]

What if you have the WoE Katana with Blade: Hi instead of the Kannagi? Does removing the Aftermath make OA2 a better offhand option?

Kamome still wins on my chart but only by 3%

[Kidnoftle]

Durability is how Monk shines. Even MNK/WAR is a lot more durable than Hasso/Retaliationing WAR/SAM. More HP, Counter, Perfect Counter, Counterstance, (lolguard), etc. All they give up is Parrying (5% floored rate on everything from my parses).

This a thousand times over. There are some fights that I have to play extremely close to the chest on nin since at best I can get my hp to 2300. I assume with the next expansion we'll continue to see terrible, fuck-your-shadows TP moves that will drop hps.

[Soho]

Is Blade: Hi performing better than Jin outside of Abyssea as well? And would lack of Atmas skew the TP/WS Damage Ratios enough to favor a different offhand at that point?

[Thorny]

Also pretty sure the odd is going to be way in war's favor with mnk not being able to proc on half their swings.

Also, the first thing I said after getting them was that ODD procs on the offhand..

[Atoreis]

Hmmm there was many raport of strange crits with Masamune and how about this.

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/9682/crith.png

Atmas GH+RR
22dmg weapon
max crit should be (22+41+11)*3,15*1,3= 303
So how the fuck I did 391 out of nowhere?

Unless limule has some hidden effect of being hit for 30% more dmg XD

[Atoreis]

Also, the first thing I said after getting them was that ODD procs on the offhand..

Can it proc on counter? ^^

[Tribe]

Probably no good tanks avaible

Sorry for late reply, but yes we kite it because at any time we might only Duo it, and maybe 4-5 people max to kill it. Tank isnt so much the issue as actually haveing compitent support, my shell is kinda bottom of the barrel but atleast there dedicated lol. Eventually we will fight them normal straight tank but for now we would rather get the ex item then feel like we dont suck.