Final Form Magian Weapons

[Nightfyre]

Still noticeably ahead of their relic counterparts for the most part, at least from a DPS standpoint. Largely due to the weaponskills attached to them though... Really wouldn't be surprised if relics got the Empyrean weaponskills and/or new exclusive weaponskills.

EDIT: Not surprising, Smite was one of the bigger overall gains and aftermath on both fists is just sexy.

[Sin Harvest]

My friend with a fully unlocked H2H Emp says he is destroying his LSmates in parses outside of abyssea.

Yea even with the WoE version of the weapon I was pooping on the relics in my ls, first real event with Masamune is sunday, so we'll see what happens....

[Cream Soda]

Emp outside of Abyssea - S Class
Relics - A class
Emp inside Abyssea - God mode

[Malacite]

Anyone else wondering about the multi-hit ToM weapons? Seems like the OAT weapons time in the spotlight was oh so long ago...


I'm only bringing them up because the cap is going up again and sooner or later they're gonna hit their final stages, and I'm curious to see if the OAT will be bumped up to 2-3. It's pretty much a given that the 2-3 will go up to 2-4, which has me thinking about the GKT again. Specifically for Yoichinoyumi (since SAM can't use Gandiva, at least not yet lol. For all we know it could be added to the final version though it seems unlikely) and Namas Arrow spamming. Soboro + Yoichi is still pretty sexy, but how much nastier would the 2~4 swing GKT make it?

Or the dagger for THF & DNC for that matter too. Auric Dagger is king of the offhand for the time being, but will that still be the case with a 2-4 swing dagger offhanded? Less swings when DW I know but that's still a lot of TP gain.

[Fievel]

It's pretty much a given that the 2-3 will go up to 2-4

No it's not, for the love of god please just go away

[Jogikat]

My friend with a fully unlocked H2H Emp says he is destroying his LSmates in parses outside of abyssea.

That probably elien . Here was our last AV parse.

Damage Summary
Player               Total Dmg   Damage %   Melee Dmg   Range Dmg   Abil. Dmg  WSkill Dmg   Spell Dmg  Other Dmg
Clyne                      138     0.21 %          51          87           0           0           0          0
Curzair                   2485     3.71 %         670           0         225        1590           0          0
Darkpenance               1530     2.29 %         730           0           0         800           0          0
Dominik                   5779     8.64 %        4895           0           0         884           0          0
Dreirael                  1993     2.98 %         993           0           0        1000           0          0
Elien                     8201    12.25 %        5719           0           0        2482           0          0
Hezzel                    6258     9.35 %        1333           0           0        4925           0          0
Jetta                     6914    10.33 %        3840           0           0        3074           0          0
Katero                    3599     5.38 %        1650           0           0        1949           0          0
Kenobi                    7113    10.63 %        2066           0           0        5047           0          0
Orodreth                  7336    10.96 %        2581           0           0        4575           0        180
Rolon                      529     0.79 %           0           0           0         529           0          0
Saiya                     6196     9.26 %        2346           0           0        3850           0          0
Yalil                     3394     5.07 %        1817           0           0        1577           0          0
Zephr                     5408     8.08 %         976           0           0        4432           0          0
Raiden                      31     0.05 %          31           0           0           0           0          0
SC: Reverberation           21     0.03 %           0           0           0           0           0          0
Total                    66925   100.00 %       29698          87         225       36714           0        180


Melee Damage
Player            Melee Dmg   Melee %   Hit/Miss   M.Acc %  M.Low/Hi    M.Avg  #Crit  C.Low/Hi   C.Avg     Crit%
Clyne                    51   36.96 %        3/2   60.00 %     13/23    17.00      0       0/0    0.00    0.00 %
Curzair                 670   26.96 %       11/0  100.00 %     32/88    57.30      1     97/97   97.00    9.09 %
Darkpenance             730   47.71 %       41/0  100.00 %      8/31    15.31      5     25/50   35.80   12.20 %
Dominik                4895   84.70 %       29/0  100.00 %   118/280   160.58      3   198/286  240.00   10.34 %
Dreirael                993   49.82 %       55/0  100.00 %      6/34    14.29     10     21/45   35.00   18.18 %
Elien                  5719   69.74 %       82/0  100.00 %    28/139    54.13     22    66/218  112.32   26.83 %
Hezzel                 1333   21.30 %       16/1   94.12 %    47/106    67.92      4    96/192  129.50   25.00 %
Jetta                  3840   55.54 %       68/0  100.00 %    25/108    48.65     13    70/155   89.54   19.12 %
Katero                 1650   45.85 %       22/0  100.00 %    34/113    66.61      4   101/137  112.75   18.18 %
Kenobi                 2066   29.05 %       15/0  100.00 %    61/142    99.75     11   103/221  151.55   73.33 %
Orodreth               2581   35.18 %       16/0  100.00 %    52/112    75.50     12   103/326  189.92   75.00 %
Saiya                  2346   37.86 %       19/0  100.00 %     56/76    66.80     14   122/217  143.71   73.68 %
Yalil                  1817   53.54 %       15/0  100.00 %     56/97    81.00     12    95/167  131.17   80.00 %
Zephr                   976   18.05 %       14/0  100.00 %    45/112    69.71      0       0/0    0.00    0.00 %
Raiden                   31  100.00 %        1/0  100.00 %     31/31    31.00      0       0/0    0.00    0.00 %


Ranged Damage
Player            Range Dmg   Range %   Hit/Miss   R.Acc %  R.Low/Hi    R.Avg  #Crit  C.Low/Hi   C.Avg     Crit%
Clyne                    87   63.04 %        2/0  100.00 %     42/45    43.50      0       0/0    0.00    0.00 %


Other Physical Damage  (Counterattacks and Retaliations)
Player            CA.Dmg  CA.Hit/Miss  CA.Low/Hi  CA.Avg   Ret.Dmg  Ret.Hit/Miss  Ret.Low/Hi  Ret.Avg
Orodreth               0          0/0        0/0    0.00       180           1/0     180/180   180.00


Weaponskill Damage
Player                 WSkill Dmg   WSkill %  Hit/Miss   WS.Acc %   WS.Low/Hi   WS.Avg
Curzair                      1590    63.98 %       4/0   100.00 %     259/553   397.50
 - Drakesbane                1590   100.00 %       4/0   100.00 %     259/553   397.50
Darkpenance                   800    52.29 %       2/0   100.00 %     349/451   400.00
 - Slug Shot                  800   100.00 %       2/0   100.00 %     349/451   400.00
Dominik                       884    15.30 %       2/0   100.00 %     346/538   442.00
 - Catastrophe                884   100.00 %       2/0   100.00 %     346/538   442.00
Dreirael                     1000    50.18 %       4/0   100.00 %     136/335   250.00
 - Dancing Edge               335    33.50 %       1/0   100.00 %     335/335   335.00
 - Evisceration               529    52.90 %       2/0   100.00 %     258/271   264.50
 - Shark Bite                 136    13.60 %       1/0   100.00 %     136/136   136.00
Elien                        2482    30.26 %       4/0   100.00 %     340/930   620.50
 - Victory Smite             2482   100.00 %       4/0   100.00 %     340/930   620.50
Hezzel                       4925    78.70 %       7/0   100.00 %    412/1162   703.57
 - Tachi: Gekko              4925   100.00 %       7/0   100.00 %    412/1162   703.57
Jetta                        3074    44.46 %       4/0   100.00 %    458/1276   768.50
 - Ascetic's Fury            3074   100.00 %       4/0   100.00 %    458/1276   768.50
Katero                       1949    54.15 %       4/0   100.00 %     289/597   487.25
 - Metatron Torment           814    41.77 %       2/0   100.00 %     289/525   407.00
 - Raging Rush               1135    58.23 %       2/0   100.00 %     538/597   567.50
Kenobi                       5047    70.95 %       6/0   100.00 %    450/1459   841.17
 - Raging Rush               5047   100.00 %       6/0   100.00 %    450/1459   841.17
Orodreth                     4575    62.36 %       5/0   100.00 %    359/1783   915.00
 - Metatron Torment          1310    28.63 %       1/0   100.00 %   1310/1310  1310.00
 - Steel Cyclone             3265    71.37 %       4/0   100.00 %    359/1783   816.25
Rolon                         529   100.00 %       1/0   100.00 %     529/529   529.00
 - Slug Shot                  529   100.00 %       1/0   100.00 %     529/529   529.00
Saiya                        3850    62.14 %       4/0   100.00 %    268/2288   962.50
 - Raging Rush               1562    40.57 %       3/0   100.00 %     268/934   520.67
 - Steel Cyclone             2288    59.43 %       1/0   100.00 %   2288/2288  2288.00
Yalil                        1577    46.46 %       2/0   100.00 %    496/1081   788.50
 - Raging Rush                496    31.45 %       1/0   100.00 %     496/496   496.00
 - Steel Cyclone             1081    68.55 %       1/0   100.00 %   1081/1081  1081.00
Zephr                        4432    81.95 %       8/0   100.00 %     368/990   554.00
 - Tachi: Kaiten             3339    75.34 %       6/0   100.00 %     368/990   556.50
 - Tachi: Kasha              1093    24.66 %       2/0   100.00 %     481/612   546.50


Ability Damage
Player                  Abil. Dmg    Abil. %  Hit/Miss    A.Acc %    A.Low/Hi    A.Avg
Curzair                       225     9.05 %       4/0   100.00 %       45/63    56.25
 - Soul Jump                  104    46.22 %       2/0   100.00 %       45/59    52.00
 - Spirit Jump                121    53.78 %       2/0   100.00 %       58/63    60.50


Skillchain Damage
Skillchain          SC Dmg  # SC  SC.Low/Hi  SC.Avg
SC: Reverberation       21     1      21/21   21.00

Elien has the H2H empy finished. Oro/Katero GA Relic (85/80), hezzel masamune (80), Zephr GK relic (80), dominik scythe relic (80), jetta H2H relic (80)

[Arthars]

Emp outside of Abyssea - S Class
Relics - A class
Emp inside Abyssea - God mode

actually this is really true O_O

as for H2H, that WS has got the sweetest thing u want for a WS: 4 hits, 2.4ftp? crit.... It is definitely a huge boost from asurian fist inside/outside abyssea

there is also planing to do around these new WSs outside abyssea to make them better than ur existing good WSs, well except Gaxe and h2h since they are pretty godly in/out of abyssea. Unlike picking up the right atmas and getting crazy numbers. You cannot really do that outside abyssea haha

personally as a NIN person, WS wise, empyrean only gets you 3 more D and 10 AGI during WS, its good bonus but i dont think it will really super outdo Tobi +1 inside or outside abyssea(im only talking about WS, not aftermath). Hi is amazing in abyssea, hands down you see the difference even eyeballing.

However outside abyssea, Hi is only above average. It is still the best WS so far, and far more better averages than JIN, or even better Highs but it is not as supreme as what many people claim it is. tbh i actually havent seen anyone saying Hi is superb outside abyssea. However it is still the best WS just not as crazy as Gaxe and H2H

being said, i really wanna make a kannagi but i dont think i can finish it within this month with army recalling me next week till mid December Just did a WoE katana to use and get rdy for next patch and for when i need to farm kannagi ^^ Also had enough coins to make a GKT and H2H in the process of collecting my katana coins. So its pretty much like 3 WoE weapons in 5 days ^^ pretty sweet if you ask me, and only slightly weaker than empyreans outside abyssea and still a good to have WS to use in abyssea.

and finally, fucking MNK fantasy have to stop.............

my drk is crying in moghouse this entire patch due to these crit atmas ; ;

Im sure 90% of people agree that MNK really isolate all the other jobs inside abyssea -_-

Might as well call it the "Scar of Monk"

owait..........theres a MNK in the middle of the abyssea website.........should have saw that coming!!!

[ronin sparthos]

So with Quietus being underwhelming, is the last bastion of hope for DRK in Torcleaver? I am surprised no one has cranked one of those out granted it follows the same Carabosse -> Crein pattern.

Lakshmi has at least 2 Colibri Sickles but no Caladbolgs yet that ive seen.

[Scrooge]

So with Quietus being underwhelming, is the last bastion of hope for DRK in Torcleaver?

You have fourteen levels to go, which translates to what? approx. 2-4 more WS to go - depending on how many quested ones they may toss out - between two weapons. There's always hope. I wouldn't hold my breath personally though.

Then again, before Abyssea came out, I never thought they'd make NIN relevant again. All I was ever hoping for was a cool looking ninja mask, and they dumped Christmas on me.

I am surprised no one has cranked one of those out granted it follows the same Carabosse -> Crein pattern.

Two reasons: SAM's more popular than DRK, and everyone's spend years conditioned to equate GS to trash. I'd imagine a lot of groups are focusing on other zones and giving latheine a break after spamming Masamune. Give it time, they'll get made.

[Appie]

I just assumed that counter 1 was +10 counter and counter 2 was +12 and counter 3 was +14 with the level 90 version being +16 counter, lvl 95 version being +18 counter level 99 spharai version being +20 Counter.

Counter 1 was funny (or sadly) enough only 5%. Counter II did make this look like 10%. Counter III so far makes it look: ???

and finally, fucking MNK fantasy have to stop.............

my drk is crying in moghouse this entire patch due to these crit atmas ; ;

Im sure 90% of people agree that MNK really isolate all the other jobs inside abyssea -_-

Might as well call it the "Scar of Monk"

owait..........theres a MNK in the middle of the abyssea website.........should have saw that coming!!!

Keep on trucking with the "MNK Fantasy" I say. All the buffs Monk now gets makes me understand why we got jack shit the last year or 2. Since they simply held up this content for at least a year and couldn't seriously buff Monk then, with all this shit in the pipeline. Next time SE: don't delay your FFXI content in an attempt to have it exist besides failga FFXIV, kthxbai.

[FailureMidgard]

Just want to add this on the whole "new WSes may be coming" thing...

Great Katana - Yuki/Gekko/Kasha mostly clones, Yuki available @ lvl 60, Gekko @ 65. Quested WS nothing special. Nyzul WS can be better at times, but not really better overall. 300skill pretty much garbage. Sams without Fudo currently use a lvl 65 WS that is barely better than a lvl 60 WS.
Katana - Jin @ lvl 60. Remains best outside of Empyrean today (that's 3 higher skill WSes).
Dagger - Dancing Edge @ lvl 60. Only RR made Evisc better, otherwise DE was generally considered the best WS available. Shark Bite is meh, Mandalic has it's uses but is generally weaker. Pyrrhic may beat out DE (I'm no dancer), so at least there's 1 higher WS worth mentioning...
Great Axe - RR says hi. Level 60 again. Higher WSes have their use here and there, but are generally weaker. Fell Cleave is of course the best of all 290/300 WSes, but still isn't better on Single Target.
Axe - Rampage @ 55. Yea...
Archery/Marks - Slugwinder @ 55...
Pole - Penta @ 49. Eventually Drakesbane beat it, but not by a ton pre-RR tbh.
Scythe - Guillo @ 60.
Sword - Vorpal @ 60.
H2H - The shining example of a WSNM winning? Though I hear some mnks like Howling anyway...

Basically, my point is, it's quite rare that the highest skill WS is the best. I don't see any reason to assume that lvl 90 or 99 quested WSes will beat out empyrean WSes. Just call Fudo Gekkov2, Ukko's RRv2, and Blade:Hi Jinv2. I'm sure we'll get new WSes, but I'm also not holding my breath for them to be amazing and beat out Empyreans WSes...

[hexagram23]

needs more mind? :/

I actually looked into that, and there isn't much MND gear DRK can use without swapping out massive amounts of STR/Attack/ACC. From what I've seen:

Head: Maat's Cap (7)
Neck: Morgana's Choker (5)
Ear1: Celestial Earring (3)
Ear2: Brutal
Body: Crimson Scale Mail (10)
Hands: Medb's Gauntlets (5)
Ring1: Neptune (6)
Ring2: Karka/Neptune (6)
Back: Royal Army Mantle (2)
Waist: Demagogue's Sash (3)
Legs: Jet Seraweels (7)
Feet: Bale +2 (9)

Total: +63 MND

Maybe I'll make a MND build and try it out. I guess it's too much to expect SE to not be retarded.

[ronin sparthos]

You have fourteen levels to go, which translates to what? approx. 2-4 more WS to go - depending on how many quested ones they may toss out - between two weapons. There's always hope. I wouldn't hold my breath personally though.

Then again, before Abyssea came out, I never thought they'd make NIN relevant again. All I was ever hoping for was a cool looking ninja mask, and they dumped Christmas on me.



Two reasons: SAM's more popular than DRK, and everyone's spend years conditioned to equate GS to trash. I'd imagine a lot of groups are focusing on other zones and giving latheine a break after spamming Masamune. Give it time, they'll get made.

Regarding Torcleaver, I strictly meant in the Empyreal WS sense. Sure, you could get better weaponskills on the ride to 99 but you'd still have to use either Quietus or Torcleaver to trip the aftermath. Very little has been said with regards to Torcleaver outside some brief talk about a Prudence battle.

I know GKT is more desired than GSWD but not all minds are alike and I thought someone would have completed a WoE gswd or empyreal to give a full rundown on it.

[Obsidian]

Just want to add this on the whole "new WSes may be coming" thing...

Great Katana - Yuki/Gekko/Kasha mostly clones, Yuki available @ lvl 60, Gekko @ 65. Quested WS nothing special. Nyzul WS can be better at times, but not really better overall. 300skill pretty much garbage. Sams without Fudo currently use a lvl 65 WS that is barely better than a lvl 60 WS.
Katana - Jin @ lvl 60. Remains best outside of Empyrean today (that's 3 higher skill WSes).
Dagger - Dancing Edge @ lvl 60. Only RR made Evisc better, otherwise DE was generally considered the best WS available. Shark Bite is meh, Mandalic has it's uses but is generally weaker. Pyrrhic may beat out DE (I'm no dancer), so at least there's 1 higher WS worth mentioning...
Great Axe - RR says hi. Level 60 again. Higher WSes have their use here and there, but are generally weaker. Fell Cleave is of course the best of all 290/300 WSes, but still isn't better on Single Target.
Axe - Rampage @ 55. Yea...
Archery/Marks - Slugwinder @ 55...
Pole - Penta @ 49. Eventually Drakesbane beat it, but not by a ton pre-RR tbh.
Scythe - Guillo @ 60.
Sword - Vorpal @ 60.
H2H - The shining example of a WSNM winning? Though I hear some mnks like Howling anyway...

Basically, my point is, it's quite rare that the highest skill WS is the best. I don't see any reason to assume that lvl 90 or 99 quested WSes will beat out empyrean WSes. Just call Fudo Gekkov2, Ukko's RRv2, and Blade:Hi Jinv2. I'm sure we'll get new WSes, but I'm also not holding my breath for them to be amazing and beat out Empyreans WSes...

Club/Staff? >_>

I've always found Asuran to be situational (Howling tends to give me more consistent numbers on things with higher defense), but Tornado Kick doesn't suck (outside Abyssea >_>)

[hexagram23]

Sin Harvest (or any SAM really) do you have any Fudo pics from outside of Abyssea? Just curious about the damage.

[Atoreis]

I'm really confused where you get your numbers from, because they seem to have 0 basis in reality. This is the 2nd WS that you've vastly over-exaggerated, and past that, a crit on a ranged attack without RR is +25%. 3k+25% is 3750. I haven't seen any testing done in particular done for RR. This is the second WS you've just thrown out complete bullshit numbers for though. The 1k+ listed numbers are going to be crits already...1.1k is going to be high end for the first hit really (noncrit), subsequent hits are going to be ~550 high end (noncrit), putting no crit under 2.5k most likely, crits jumping past 3k, but nowhere near 5k.

Remember this Failure? :D
So someone on my server did WoE bow and went to abyssea his gear was something like -> brave grip, vulcan staff, osode, antlion arrows, wyvern helm, no gorget, nifty mantle, crudelist belt, H feet, byakkos and he was doing 5-6k on murex

[Deader2818]

You know, I always see you making this really high number claims but never see any SS to back it up. Not saying you are wrong, but could you provide some proof other than "I saw this" or "my friend told me this".

[Atoreis]

Sure :D Give me one day top NA going to sleep now I think.

Here was very nice and send me ss here it is:

http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/6...1108033859.png

[Zumi]

Ran WoE for 8 hours today, was going for advancement for my monk but ended up with about 33 glory coins so I figured I could get a weapon for my war. So is the great ax worth doing for ukkos fury? Didn't really want to do all those NMs if its damage is similar to Raging Rush.

[Aurara]

Ran WoE for 8 hours today, was going for advancement for my monk but ended up with about 33 glory coins so I figured I could get a weapon for my war. So is the great ax worth doing for ukkos fury? Didn't really want to do all those NMs if its damage is similar to Raging Rush.

It def. destroys RR lol