Final Form Magian Weapons

[Arthars]

Ran WoE for 8 hours today, was going for advancement for my monk but ended up with about 33 glory coins so I figured I could get a weapon for my war. So is the great ax worth doing for ukkos fury? Didn't really want to do all those NMs if its damage is similar to Raging Rush.

Ukko fury is as good as victory smite, 2 of the best empyrean WS(in and out of abyssea) and yea it rapes RR

and damn u get 33 glory and not completed advancement?!!??!?! when i get 30 glory, i got 80 decay, 40ish advancement.........

glory cockblocked me long time -_-

[FailureMidgard]

Remember this Failure? :D
So someone on my server did WoE bow and went to abyssea his gear was something like -> brave grip, vulcan staff, osode, antlion arrows, wyvern helm, no gorget, nifty mantle, crudelist belt, H feet, byakkos and he was doing 5-6k on murex

Sure :D Give me one day top NA going to sleep now I think.

Here was very nice and send me ss here it is:

http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/6...1108033859.png

Why stop there? Go Jishnu's Mictlantecuhtli and post that #. If you didn't know, Murex take extra damage while casting, something like +50%, so we'll call that a 4k WS as his high-end.

[Atoreis]

I knew You will say that :D He will go and check on normal mobs tomorrow. It was only ss he had asap

[Malacite]

No it's not, for the love of god please just go away

Yes it is, shut the fuck up. The OA2-4 clause was found in the .dats way back when we first got ToM, and I'd be incredibly surprised if SE suddenly decided to allow the current higher damage OAT weapons to go up to 4x hits. That leaves the current 2-3 path weapons to carry on.

Just want to add this on the whole "new WSes may be coming" thing...

Great Katana - Yuki/Gekko/Kasha mostly clones, Yuki available @ lvl 60, Gekko @ 65. Quested WS nothing special. Nyzul WS can be better at times, but not really better overall. 300skill pretty much garbage. Sams without Fudo currently use a lvl 65 WS that is barely better than a lvl 60 WS.
Katana - Jin @ lvl 60. Remains best outside of Empyrean today (that's 3 higher skill WSes).
Dagger - Dancing Edge @ lvl 60. Only RR made Evisc better, otherwise DE was generally considered the best WS available. Shark Bite is meh, Mandalic has it's uses but is generally weaker. Pyrrhic may beat out DE (I'm no dancer), so at least there's 1 higher WS worth mentioning...
Great Axe - RR says hi. Level 60 again. Higher WSes have their use here and there, but are generally weaker. Fell Cleave is of course the best of all 290/300 WSes, but still isn't better on Single Target.
Axe - Rampage @ 55. Yea...
Archery/Marks - Slugwinder @ 55...
Pole - Penta @ 49. Eventually Drakesbane beat it, but not by a ton pre-RR tbh.
Scythe - Guillo @ 60.
Sword - Vorpal @ 60.
H2H - The shining example of a WSNM winning? Though I hear some mnks like Howling anyway...

Basically, my point is, it's quite rare that the highest skill WS is the best. I don't see any reason to assume that lvl 90 or 99 quested WSes will beat out empyrean WSes. Just call Fudo Gekkov2, Ukko's RRv2, and Blade:Hi Jinv2. I'm sure we'll get new WSes, but I'm also not holding my breath for them to be amazing and beat out Empyreans WSes...

When you put into perspective like it, it really does seem kinda fucked up doesn't it?

[Darkmagi]

That or another alternate path causing people who did Oa2-3 to have to start over if they want 2-4. ~_~

[NeoForte]

Just want to add this on the whole "new WSes may be coming" thing...

Great Katana - Yuki/Gekko/Kasha mostly clones, Yuki available @ lvl 60, Gekko @ 65. Quested WS nothing special. Nyzul WS can be better at times, but not really better overall. 300skill pretty much garbage. Sams without Fudo currently use a lvl 65 WS that is barely better than a lvl 60 WS.
Katana - Jin @ lvl 60. Remains best outside of Empyrean today (that's 3 higher skill WSes).
Dagger - Dancing Edge @ lvl 60. Only RR made Evisc better, otherwise DE was generally considered the best WS available. Shark Bite is meh, Mandalic has it's uses but is generally weaker. Pyrrhic may beat out DE (I'm no dancer), so at least there's 1 higher WS worth mentioning...
Great Axe - RR says hi. Level 60 again. Higher WSes have their use here and there, but are generally weaker. Fell Cleave is of course the best of all 290/300 WSes, but still isn't better on Single Target.
Axe - Rampage @ 55. Yea...
Archery/Marks - Slugwinder @ 55...
Pole - Penta @ 49. Eventually Drakesbane beat it, but not by a ton pre-RR tbh.
Scythe - Guillo @ 60.
Sword - Vorpal @ 60.
H2H - The shining example of a WSNM winning? Though I hear some mnks like Howling anyway...

Basically, my point is, it's quite rare that the highest skill WS is the best. I don't see any reason to assume that lvl 90 or 99 quested WSes will beat out empyrean WSes. Just call Fudo Gekkov2, Ukko's RRv2, and Blade:Hi Jinv2. I'm sure we'll get new WSes, but I'm also not holding my breath for them to be amazing and beat out Empyreans WSes...

H2H on PUP Stringing Pummel is the go to WS for most situations (Howling Fists being the other). Dunno how much Victory Smite overthrows it till a PUP completes it (My progress has slow to a crawl since I can't seem to find lot's of help for VNMs ><)

[Mercilessturtle]

Dunno how much Victory Smite overthrows it till a PUP completes it

You don't need to finish it to look at the ftp and mods on the WS. It doesn't overthrows it, pummel is slightly better. 5.75 ftp vs 5.4 ftp and 32/32 str/vit vs 50 str which gives you about the same base damage increase from WSC.

[Thorny]

You don't need to finish it to look at the ftp and mods on the WS. It doesn't overthrows it, pummel is slightly better. 5.75 ftp vs 5.4 ftp and 32/32 str/vit vs 50 str which gives you about the same base damage increase from WSC.

You do need to finish it to realize that the ftp or mods aren't accurate though. Effective damage doesn't seem to match calculated damage at all in this case.

I should have 160 DMG, ftp of 5.4 total places that at 864 * pdif before DAs. A 4hit all critting would only do 2721.6 * 1.3 = 3538 max before DAs if all loaded at 3.15 range. Add two DAs that also crit at 160*1*3.15*1.3 and you're looking at a global maximum of 4848 damage unless I'm missing something(was under the impression each hand could DA, and not the other hits.. but the following had a TP return of 13 regardless).

Spoiler: show

http://img574.imageshack.us/img574/2...5abysseako.jpg

Edit: Missed 7 STR from food since looking at the set on my char without food active. Also missed that I upgraded Triumph to Vulcan's.. but 6 STR should only add an additional 3 wSC * .85 alpha * 7.4 ftp * 3.15 pdif * 1.3 ruins or 77 damage(bit more if it rounded the WSC up, bit less if it didn't, but regardless doesn't make up for the difference and I've done higher.. just don't have screenshots). Leaving this in an edit instead of ninjaing main post to show my mistake.

[Pebe]

Back at the guy who posted about all the weapon types and there best weaponskills, what are the slug shot numbers in and out of abyssea for cor like?
Because I would say wildfire is hard to beat for cor at least. Consistant 2.7k atm using Atma of the Smoldering Sky and Stangeling Wind. Fire shots for 750~.
When I replace Atma of the Straying Wind (30 agl) with atma of the beyond or baying moon (30 MAB), that should jump my damage up alot, hoping for like 3.5k ish. Hope fully pushing 800-850 for shots (one can dream). I don't have Razed Ruins yet so I can't really say, but my slug shot, detonator, and numbing shot numbers are all underwhelming in and out abyssea.

[Malacite]

^ Why would you want Razed Ruins on COR? You only have 2 WS that can crit and they both suck. Try Stout Arm for boosting slugshot.

Hell wouldn't Gnarled Horn even be better because of the massive AGI boost?

[Atoreis]

All right Failure here you go ^^

Jupiter's staff, brave grip, antlion arrow. empress hairpin, volley earring, vision earring, flame gorget, loki's kaftan, gules mittens, rajas ring,
jupiter's ring, cavaros mantle, crudelis belt, byakko's haidate, lithe boots. RR+SA atma

http://img686.imageshack.us/img686/3834/10259203.jpg


He also is saying that it always took 2 arrows. So its always take 2 or mobs has to low hp
His lowest dmg was 2990 but mob was on 5% hp so it was one arrow.
Avg on 2 arrow WS was above 5k.

[Aurara]

holy shit, lol

[Odin'sLaw]

All right Failure here you go ^^

Jupiter's staff, brave grip, antlion arrow. empress hairpin, volley earring, vision earring, flame gorget, loki's kaftan, gules mittens, rajas ring,
jupiter's ring, cavaros mantle, crudelis belt, byakko's haidate, lithe boots. RR+SA atma

http://img686.imageshack.us/img686/3834/10259203.jpg

this with the Emp bow or WoE?

[firefeng]

Jesus. Are those the high numbers, or just the ones you had time to screen?

[Atoreis]

Like I said he was doing this alone I was helping some friends, but avg was above 5k and its WoE version.

By alone I mean I wasnt there he had brd and cor for capped att.

[Odin'sLaw]

Like I said he was doing this alone I was helping some friends, but avg was above 5k and its WoE version.

By alone I mean I wasnt there he had brd and cor for capped att.

so should we expect about another 200-500 dmg with Emp bow as well? good times

[Atoreis]

so should we expect about another 200-500 dmg with Emp bow as well? good times

Well its not his main so he doesnt have perfect gear for this either. You can put Aias bonnet, H kote, jupiter's earring, cuchlain belt that would give another 27 DEX.

[Sin Harvest]

Sin Harvest (or any SAM really) do you have any Fudo pics from outside of Abyssea? Just curious about the damage.

T3 einherjar, behemoth boss that killed me as I engaged, could not 2hr icarus wing =/. Still cleared chamber though.

Damage Summary
Player               Total Dmg   Damage %   Melee Dmg   Range Dmg   Abil. Dmg  WSkill Dmg   Spell Dmg  Other Dmg
Auronku                    363     0.08 %           0          15           0           0         348          0
Derian                    1902     0.43 %           0           0           0           0        1902          0
Fatkat                    1567     0.35 %         750           0           0         817           0          0
Gabronth                 21708     4.88 %           0           0           0           0       21708          0
Ichrius                  35975     8.09 %       16879           0       19096           0           0          0
Kiddyfox                 64334    14.47 %       42585           0         234       21042           0        473
Roark                    42298     9.51 %       21573           0           0       20725           0          0
Sinharvest              126695    28.49 %       48093           0       76699        1903           0          0
Varus                    24912     5.60 %           0           0           0           0       24912          0
Ventus                   17624     3.96 %           0           0           0           0       17624          0
Zven                    107285    24.13 %       62451           0          25       44272           0        537
Total                   444663   100.00 %      192331          15       96054       88759       66494       1010


Melee Damage
Player            Melee Dmg   Melee %   Hit/Miss   M.Acc %  M.Low/Hi    M.Avg  #Crit  C.Low/Hi   C.Avg     Crit%
Fatkat                  750   47.86 %        5/1   83.33 %   110/178   150.00      0       0/0    0.00    0.00 %
Ichrius               16879   46.92 %       78/4   95.12 %    95/339   200.18     12   165/440  305.58   15.38 %
Kiddyfox              42585   66.19 %     328/17   95.07 %     0/203   121.65     44   101/241  182.61   13.41 %
Roark                 21573   51.00 %     116/10   92.06 %    74/300   173.64     11   209/365  303.73    9.48 %
Sinharvest            48093   37.96 %      133/7   95.00 %   149/686   339.05     14   385/807  553.29   10.53 %
Zven                  62451   58.21 %      172/9   95.03 %   182/796   353.26     14   430/618  474.00    8.14 %


Ranged Damage
Player            Range Dmg   Range %   Hit/Miss   R.Acc %  R.Low/Hi    R.Avg  #Crit  C.Low/Hi   C.Avg     Crit%
Auronku                  15    4.13 %       1/10    9.09 %     15/15    15.00      0       0/0    0.00    0.00 %


Other Magical Damage  (Additional Effects and Spikes)
Player            M.AE Dmg  # M.AE  M.AE Avg   R.AE Dmg  # R.AE  R.AE Avg   Spk.Dmg  # Spike  Spk.Avg
Kiddyfox                33       1     33.00          0       0      0.00         0        0     0.00
Zven                   135       5     27.00          0       0      0.00       402        5    80.40


Other Physical Damage  (Counterattacks and Retaliations)
Player            CA.Dmg  CA.Hit/Miss  CA.Low/Hi  CA.Avg   Ret.Dmg  Ret.Hit/Miss  Ret.Low/Hi  Ret.Avg
Kiddyfox             440          3/0     65/259  146.67         0           0/0         0/0     0.00


Weaponskill Damage
Player                 WSkill Dmg   WSkill %  Hit/Miss   WS.Acc %   WS.Low/Hi   WS.Avg
Fatkat                        817    52.14 %       1/0   100.00 %     817/817   817.00
 - Tachi: Gekko               817   100.00 %       1/0   100.00 %     817/817   817.00
Kiddyfox                    21042    32.71 %      16/0   100.00 %    729/1657  1315.13
 - Asuran Fists             20313    96.54 %      15/0   100.00 %    779/1657  1354.20
 - Howling Fist               729     3.46 %       1/0   100.00 %     729/729   729.00
Roark                       20725    49.00 %      17/2    89.47 %    614/1846  1219.12
 - Tachi: Gekko             19598    94.56 %      16/2    88.89 %    614/1846  1224.88
 - Tachi: Kasha              1127     5.44 %       1/0   100.00 %   1127/1127  1127.00
Sinharvest                   1903     1.50 %       1/0   100.00 %   1903/1903  1903.00
 - Tachi: Rana               1903   100.00 %       1/0   100.00 %   1903/1903  1903.00
Zven                        44272    41.27 %      35/1    97.22 %    421/1968  1264.91
 - Catastrophe              44272   100.00 %      35/1    97.22 %    421/1968  1264.91


Ability Damage
Player                  Abil. Dmg    Abil. %  Hit/Miss    A.Acc %    A.Low/Hi    A.Avg
Ichrius                     19096    53.08 %      12/2    85.71 %    844/2218  1591.33
 - Torcleaver               19096   100.00 %      12/2    85.71 %    844/2218  1591.33
Kiddyfox                      234     0.36 %       1/0   100.00 %     234/234   234.00
 - Chi Blast                  234   100.00 %       1/0   100.00 %     234/234   234.00
Sinharvest                  76699    60.54 %      37/4    90.24 %      0/3540  2072.95
 - Blade Bash                   0     0.00 %       1/0   100.00 %         0/0     0.00
 - Tachi: Fudo              76699   100.00 %      36/4    90.00 %    479/3540  2130.53
Zven                           25     0.02 %       1/0   100.00 %       25/25    25.00
 - Weapon Bash                 25   100.00 %       1/0   100.00 %       25/25    25.00


Spell Damage
Player                  Spell Dmg   Spell %  #Spells  #Fail  S.Low/Hi     S.Avg  #MBurst  MB.Low/Hi   MB.Avg
Auronku                       348   95.87 %        4      0     1/267     87.00        0        0/0     0.00
 - Dia II                       1    0.29 %        1      0       1/1      1.00        0        0/0     0.00
 - Drain                      347   99.71 %        3      0    33/267    115.67        0        0/0     0.00
Derian                       1902  100.00 %        2      0  880/1022    951.00        0        0/0     0.00
 - Aero V                    1022   53.73 %        1      0 1022/1022   1022.00        0        0/0     0.00
 - Blizzard IV                880   46.27 %        1      0   880/880    880.00        0        0/0     0.00
Gabronth                    21708  100.00 %       19      0    1/1735   1076.50        1  2331/2331  2331.00
 - Blizzard III               692    3.19 %        1      0   692/692    692.00        0        0/0     0.00
 - Blizzard IV               3743   17.24 %        3      0  951/1510   1247.67        0        0/0     0.00
 - Drain                       79    0.36 %        3      0      1/68     26.33        0        0/0     0.00
 - Thunder III               4038   18.60 %        4      0  738/1138   1009.50        0        0/0     0.00
 - Thunder IV               13156   60.60 %        8      0 1198/1735   1546.43        1  2331/2331  2331.00
Varus                       24912  100.00 %       17      0  290/2154   1414.94        1  2273/2273  2273.00
 - Aero V                    2154    8.65 %        1      0 2154/2154   2154.00        0        0/0     0.00
 - Blizzard IV               8179   32.83 %        5      0 1377/1576   1476.50        1  2273/2273  2273.00
 - Drain                      290    1.16 %        1      0   290/290    290.00        0        0/0     0.00
 - Stone V                   3340   13.41 %        2      0 1564/1776   1670.00        0        0/0     0.00
 - Thunder III               1075    4.32 %        1      0 1075/1075   1075.00        0        0/0     0.00
 - Thunder IV                9874   39.64 %        7      0  819/1666   1410.57        0        0/0     0.00
Ventus                      17624  100.00 %       21      0    0/1341    839.24        0        0/0     0.00
 - Aero IV                   3296   18.70 %        3      0 1065/1147   1098.67        0        0/0     0.00
 - Aeroga III                1739    9.87 %        3      0   406/813    579.67        0        0/0     0.00
 - Blizzard IV               5066   28.74 %        5      0  717/1143   1013.20        0        0/0     0.00
 - Drain                       19    0.11 %        2      0      0/19      9.50        0        0/0     0.00
 - Fire IV                    413    2.34 %        1      0   413/413    413.00        0        0/0     0.00
 - Stoneja                   4565   25.90 %        5      0  222/1341    913.00        0        0/0     0.00
 - Thunder IV                2526   14.33 %        2      0 1263/1263   1263.00        0        0/0     0.00

[Guitarman]

So torcleaver isnt WTFamazing as first assumed, unless that player in the parse sucks. 2200 is nice, but hardly eye opening as originally made out to be.

[Atoreis]

So torcleaver isnt WTFamazing as first assumed, unless that player in the parse sucks. 2200 is nice, but hardly eye opening as originally made out to be.

Well looking at his set

neck "Light Gorget";
body "Shadow Brstplate"; -> Ares body | +2STR +2VIT
ear1 "Brutal Earring";
ring1 "Rajas Ring";
back "Forager's Mantle"; -> Smilodon +1 augmented with VIT | +2STR +1VIT
head "Hecatomb Cap"; -> AF2+1 | -11STR +8 VIT
ammo "Fire Bomblet"; -> Bibiki seashell | +4VIT
sub "Pole Grip";
main "Espafut +1";
hands "Hecatomb Mittens"; -> Ares's | -3STR +4 VIT
legs "Bale Flanchard +2";
ear2 "Cassie Earring"; Vit+3 earring | -1 STR +2VIT
feet "Hct. Leggings"; -> Rutter's | -3STR +2VIT
waist "Warwolf Belt";
ring2 "Strigoi Ring"; -> spiral | -1 STR +5VIT

So -15STR which still would put him at +56STR with food and +28VIT. I think its also a Tarutaru so like 8-10 VIT and 8-10STR less then Galka or Elvaan. 38 VIT is far from perfect.