Final Form Magian Weapons

[FailureMidgard]

FWIW, I just compared logger to my parse from our last Ein run, our Verethragna Monk's top ~20 hits all occurred on the 2nd hit of the round. I could have kept going, but manually searching is annoying, this is beginning to look like far too much of a coincidence, and I'm honestly not sure nor do I care to do the math for when the threshold between ODD and not ODD overlaps.

Honestly, seems like Nivlakian is correct...

[Byrthnoth]

lol... first they can only double attack on the first swing, and now they can only double damage on the second swing. lolmonkweapons.

Does this mean our proc rate for ODD is off? I thought it was Thorny who parsed level 1 at 20%? Would it really be 40%+?

[EjinCaitsith]

lol... first they can only double attack on the first swing, and now they can only double damage on the second swing. lolmonkweapons.

Does this mean our proc rate for ODD is off? I thought it was Thorny who parsed level 1 at 20%? Would it really be 40%+?

I posted this a couple months ago in fapworthy thread:

Just taking a look from a recent parse on Blood Bats.

283 none crits. 214 hits ranging from 160-360. 69 seem to be ODD ranging from 386-627 ~24% ODD

329 total crits. 211 crits ranging from 305-514. 118 seem to be ODD ranging from 681-1030 ~35% ODD

612 hits total and 187 seem to be ODD ~30.5% ODD overall.

I believe more of the normal hits are ODD and 360 seems too high and could be ODD, but 30% ODD seems to be a fair assumption. Any real testing will be a pain, as you need to control what level your aftermath is. GL to anyone willing to do this.

[DNAval]

So i'm starting to get back into the game after a long pause from it and I'm having trouble deciding which weapon to go after, my 3 main melee jobs are WAR SAM and NIN (for soloing stuff)

Starting with warrior

Ukonvasara

Maschu +1

Samurai

Masamune

Hiradennotachi +1

Ninja

Kannagi

Tobi+1

Now i guess what I'm really asking is what the order of hardest to easiest to obtain is? now i know that : Ukonvasara Masamune and Kannagi are obviously the hardest but keep in mind i'm either soloing or duoing with wife, is the harder version of a weapon really worth all that trouble over the easier to obtain?

[lolwut]

So i'm starting to get back into the game after a long pause from it and I'm having trouble deciding which weapon to go after, my 3 main melee jobs are WAR SAM and NIN (for soloing stuff)

Starting with warrior

Ukonvasara

Maschu +1

Samurai

Masamune

Hiradennotachi +1

Ninja

Kannagi

Tobi+1

Now i guess what I'm really asking is what the order of hardest to easiest to obtain is? now i know that : Ukonvasara Masamune and Kannagi are obviously the hardest but keep in mind i'm either soloing or duoing with wife, is the harder version of a weapon really worth all that trouble over the easier to obtain?

The ridiculous drop rate on Decay coins would probably make Hira +1 would be the easiest to obtain, although it's pretty similar to the other WoE options. Masamune is the easiest of the Empyreans to complete, then Kannagi, and Ukonvasara is the most difficult by far.

IMO the increase in dot from the weapon aftermaths make the true Empyreans totally worth the extra trouble. From the number of options you threw at the wall though, you may as well just get the WoE weapon for now while you decide what weapon/job you're most interested in.

[FailureMidgard]

The ridiculous drop rate on Decay coins would probably make Hira +1 would be the easiest to obtain, although it's pretty similar to the other WoE options. Masamune is the easiest of the Empyreans to complete, then Kannagi, and Ukonvasara is the most difficult by far.

Pretty sure there is not a higher droprate on Decay...it's in fact what I've seen the least of by far. Ruin has been far and away the most common.

But then again, if you saw an even # of everything, it wouldn't have a very random distribution, so once again, random is random.


Just go start doing WoE, see what coins -you- get the most of, and then go do weapon trials after...as someone working on 3 weapons, that's how I'm doing it, not bothering with weapon trials until I get 30 coins.

[lolwut]

Pretty sure there is not a higher droprate on Decay...it's in fact what I've seen the least of by far. Ruin has been far and away the most common.

But then again, if you saw an even # of everything, it wouldn't have a very random distribution, so once again, random is random.

No denying it may just be my experience, I did say it's pretty similar in difficulty to obtaining the other WoE options.

From my time in WoE I've always seen Ruin > Decay > Glory/Advancement/Birth, I didn't mention Ruin because none of the weapons he asked about use them. My group has people at 21, 29, and 17 respectively on Decay, and more Ruin than that thrown away. During that same time, we've seen 33 advancement, 24 glory, and 21 birth between all members. Also did 7 pickup runs during a sick day last week and saw 3 Decay pouches(2 personal chest, 1 lootpool)/5 singles, with only 1 Advancement pouch, 1 Glory single, and 2 Advancement singles dropping.

Between my own experiences and those of other groups I've spoken to on my server, Decay just seem like the most common (non-ruin) coin. I should have noted that was just my opinion though, and that ymmv.

Just go start doing WoE, see what coins -you- get the most of, and then go do weapon trials after...as someone working on 3 weapons, that's how I'm doing it, not bothering with weapon trials until I get 30 coins.

Agreed, I do the same and it's probably the best advice. However, from his post I think he should still have a specific goal in mind. While starting the trials without coins in hand may not be the best idea, chances are he'll be in pickups and have to set a priority.

[Arthars]

http://mectradegroup.com/FFXI/kannaji.JPG

7 days of work ; ; time to de-activate zombie mode...

special thanks to my 2 irl friends kyraa and bitefom for farming in miseraux coast the past 3 days at least 12 hours a day, killing countless Sobeks and Gukumatz....The nightmare is over!

dont mind the offhand........i just cant bear to put it in my bank ; ;

and also why is the 10 agi available in offhand and not relic's +att/acc -_-

[Cream Soda]

and also why is the 10 agi available in offhand and not relic's +att/acc -_-

No offhandable relics w/ acc+ that I can think of!

[Arthars]

opps!!!! ma bad!

[Tsuko_Asura]

Potentially silly question, but has anyone checked to see if Empyrean WS are available when the weapon is in the offhand?

[Malacite]

^ even if it is, wouldn't the aftermath get blocked?

[Tsuko_Asura]

No idea. We've never seen a weapon of this type have any of their stats applicable in the offhand.

[Tricen]

Inc dumb question. Would NIN benefit from OHing Kclub at all, or is it still dumb as shit. I figured you'd have a 100% uptime on aftermath and you'd be dealing a lot more double damage on the kclub swings to make up for the difference. Or is this just one of those "lolno" situations.

[Rehn]

http://mectradegroup.com/FFXI/kannaji.JPG

7 days of work ; ; time to de-activate zombie mode...

special thanks to my 2 irl friends kyraa and bitefom for farming in miseraux coast the past 3 days at least 12 hours a day, killing countless Sobeks and Gukumatz....The nightmare is over!

dont mind the offhand........i just cant bear to put it in my bank ; ;

and also why is the 10 agi available in offhand and not relic's +att/acc -_-

Grats, kannagi just changed NIN for the better for me. Is that the iga backpiece? How did you kill abyssea-ixion?

[Darkmagi]

The abyssea ixion is a complete joke, can just straight tank DD it down. Also grats, looks good except you should be using a rajas ring, Qirmiz tathlum, and Iga neck (Abyssea only on the crit items afaik).

[Malacite]

No idea. We've never seen a weapon of this type have any of their stats applicable in the offhand.

True - However I would imagine that if they haven't already, SE will apply the same off-handing nerf they did to Relics & Mythics (which to this day I still don't understand why they did that.) I mean from a balance point of view I can sorta see their point, but if someone's gone through that much effort, let 'em have their fun.

[Obsidian]

Inc dumb question. Would NIN benefit from OHing Kclub at all, or is it still dumb as shit. I figured you'd have a 100% uptime on aftermath and you'd be dealing a lot more double damage on the kclub swings to make up for the difference. Or is this just one of those "lolno" situations.

Pretty sure ODD doesn't proc on offhand.

[Alkimi]

Potentially silly question, but has anyone checked to see if Empyrean WS are available when the weapon is in the offhand?

Just tried this, and WS disappeared from list, so doesn't matter anyway.

[Malacite]

Good old predictable, cock-blocking SE.