Final Form Magian Weapons

[StateofMind]

How much info is there on Torcleaver at the moment? Is Caladbolg decidedly better than Redemption?

[Tsuko_Asura]

Don't think there's much solid information for either weapon, but if Torcleaver turns out to be anything like Fudo, yes.

[Valisk]

What the fuck are you talking about?

Just how you changed from "infancy" to adolescent but you backpedalled enough so we're good.

[Tsuko_Asura]

I'd say any time when we were still EXPing in the Labrynth of Onzozo is still within the game's infancy, but I suppose it could mean different things to different people.

Speaking of backpedalling, you claimed it was "things like Homam" that made it feasible, and I've yet to see you substantiate that claim.

[Valisk]

I'd say any time when we were still EXPing in the Labrynth of Onzozo is still within the game's infancy, but I suppose it could mean different things to different people.

Speaking of backpedalling, you claimed it was "things like Homam" that made it feasible, and I've yet to see you substantiate that claim.

You quoted a tank evolution post which included PLD/NIN saying it was all 99% possible during infancy. I would say Homam made PLD/NIN feasible. Shall I draw you a picture?

[Obsidian]

How much info is there on Torcleaver at the moment? Is Caladbolg decidedly better than Redemption?

From what little information I've seen, Torcleaver is at least as good if not better than Quietus, and Caladbolg looks ten times cooler than Redemption.

Edit for the above: I'd ask how you define feasible. The DD jobs used now had as much haste or more than PLD long before Homam came into being, and still did more damage, and whose defensive capabilities have been largely unchanged from then to now (Counterstance and Seigan).

[StateofMind]

From what little information I've seen, Torcleaver is at least as good if not better than Quietus, and Caladbolg looks ten times cooler than Redemption.

I've been led to believe that it's actually on Fudo's level, but I guess it isn't too popular because I haven't been able to see it back that claim up first hand.

[Tsuko_Asura]

I've been led to believe that it's actually on Fudo's level, but I guess it isn't too popular because I haven't been able to see it back that claim up first hand.

fTP suggests it should be similar or better, but who knows how right Wiki is

[Obsidian]

I've been led to believe that it's actually on Fudo's level, but I guess it isn't too popular because I haven't been able to see it back that claim up first hand.

The only person I know working on it is at 80 Caladbolg. I vaguely recall a couple posts about damage somewhere near the beginning of this thread.

[Tsuko_Asura]

You quoted a tank evolution post which included PLD/NIN saying it was all 99% possible during infancy. I would say Homam made PLD/NIN feasible. Shall I draw you a picture?

Going from 41% to 49% haste(assuming we're talking about average PLD budgets, 49 -> 52 if we're talking high-end PLDs) made PLD/NIN feasible? Is that really what you're telling me?

[FailureMidgard]

You quoted a tank evolution post which included PLD/NIN saying it was all 99% possible during infancy. I would say Homam made PLD/NIN feasible. Shall I draw you a picture?

Please do. Do you really think the additional of 3-4% haste made pld/nin feasible? I think you're insane if so. I mean, granted dusk was expensive and/or hard to get at one point, but no moreso than the bullshit koenig that was being sported.

Fact of the matter is, the only thing that changed was people's understanding of the game.

[Tsuko_Asura]

And here I thought you were joking about that Playboy Bunny thing.. >__>;

[hexagram23]

I have Quietus and an LS mate has Torcleaver, and honestly so far I have't been blown away by Torcleaver. It's not a bad WS but I haven't personally seen numbers that put it on the level of Quietus, let alone something like Fudo. But it's not like comparing Ukko's Fury to another WS either, the difference isn't that bad.

[Tsuko_Asura]

Wait, Quietus is even decent now? I thought it was Guillo+1?

[Valisk]

Going from 41% to 49% haste(assuming we're talking about average PLD budgets, 49 -> 52 if we're talking high-end PLDs) made PLD/NIN feasible? Is that really what you're telling me?

Are we talking about your "misrepresented" infancy or not because you pretending like you didn't know what the definition of infancy was. I said you backpedalled enough (infancy -> pre-TOAU) so we're good, but if you would like to revisit (actual infancy) we can.

[StateofMind]

Cell phones have existed for billions of years, we just only recently figured out how to put them together.

I think that's what he's trying to say, albeit in a much simpler (but less obvious) way.

[Tsuko_Asura]

Are we talking about your "misrepresented" infancy or not because you pretending like you didn't know what the definition of infancy was. I said you backpedalled enough (infancy -> pre-TOAU) so we're good, but if you would like to revisit (actual infancy) we can.

Answer the question you quoted.

[Yugl]

Cell phones have existed for billions of years, we just only recently figured out how to put them together.

I think that's what he's trying to say, albeit in a much simpler (but less obvious) way.

So things can exist without being created?

[Valisk]

Answer the question you quoted.

Use infancy properly in a sentence.

[Tsuko_Asura]

So things can exist without being created?

Think he meant that they had the potential to exist, and that we just didn't know how to put them together.