Final Form Magian Weapons

[Hyriu]

no it's a sniper ring if you live in 2004

[Scrooge]

So is Dragula really the only reported Empy NM dropper that has a chance of 0%? -.-

Please fix, Square... ?

Believe Arthars mentioned Apademak dropping 0-2 as well.
http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/101...=1#post4317827

[6souls]

Grats Wigglestyx on Caladbolg!

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e2...sCaladbolg.jpg

[Vincento]

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/6...rethagcopy.jpg

Thank you Solanis for being my slave for 6 days! Hyriu, Briiz I owe you guys a bunch.

Spoiler: show

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/6162/nofuryforu.jpg


wut

[Fievel]

oooo grats Vince

[Malacite]

God damn still can't get over how dumb Tantra pants look. Grats btw lol.

[solanis]

well-deserved and silly looking :> grats

[Taint]

Finished Cema's 90 GA last night!

[Byrthnoth]

Congrats! Think they'd be willing to test for a WS damage boost similar to what Relics and Mythics are reporting?

[Taint]

Congrats! Think they'd be willing to test for a WS damage boost similar to what Relics and Mythics are reporting?

no WS boost, just a badass GA

[nekura]

Congrats! Think they'd be willing to test for a WS damage boost similar to what Relics and Mythics are reporting?

Ejin already tested this on a recent page.

[oblit]

Finished Masamune 90!

Verethragna next!

http://www.gwcdn.com/albums/images/4...4a2a000229.jpg

[Kirschy]

http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/96/vereth.png

IB4 Combo-breaker~

Huge thanks to Ella for sticking /w me through 11 days of grind. I realize I'm missing some gear, time to start working on that now =x

[Guitarman]

what was it a certain relic drk had said? "after liberator im not doing it again?" hehe. grats!

[EjinCaitsith]

grats! and yay for the incoming extensive testing on ODD proc rate and if it's really only second hand!!!?

[cassiraa]

http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/96/vereth.png

IB4 Combo-breaker~

Huge thanks to Ella for sticking /w me through 11 days of grind. I realize I'm missing some gear, time to start working on that now =x

Gratz!
Maybe this belongs in random question but I heard that that crit damage+ caps at 50%, if that's the case is Loki's worth it since RR/SS caps your crit damage[and mnks I know swear by RR/GH/SS]

On topic I finished Tobi+2. lol WoEmyprian but I have 2 weapons with blue boxes on them now.

[Darkmagi]

No idea if it's actually better or not since I'm too lazy to do maths, but Atma of the Apoc seems like it might be better. (especially with af3 body having 1% crit dmg per hit on impetus.)

[Odin'sLaw]

i was thinking Apoc > Gnarled horn > Razed ruin for monk i'm just thinking if i can do 6 punches and 2 kicks i "shouldn't" need SS for dmg or enm reduction but hp+ is always nice

[Guitarman]

i was thinking Apoc > Gnarled horn > Razed ruin for monk i'm just thinking if i can do 6 punches and 2 kicks i "shouldn't" need SS for dmg or enm reduction but hp+ is always nice

VV/RR/apoc and i have zero issues. There are maybe 2 or 3 mobs that will tax my shadow timers enough to warrant GH, and i'm sitting at around 3400 hp, so unless your healers are asleep you shouldn't be in any risk of death to warrant SS's hp boost.

[Motenten]

Long roundabout answer:

For pure damage, RR+Apoc+GH (for Ascetic's Fury) or RR+Apoc+VV (for Victory Smite), though the difference between the two combos isn't very large (maybe 1%). GH for more defense, VV for more TP lying around. SS is significantly weaker than either of those options once you factor in augmented Impetus (GH and VV are 8%-9% better than SS for damage), though it's closer if you don't have the AF3 body (they're only 2%-4% ahead).

With augmented Impetus, RR and Loki's, you should be hitting capped +crit damage almost half the time and have an overall average of ~+47% crit damage while Impetus is up, significantly reducing the value of SS atma. As for Loki's itself, it narrows the range of the augmented Impetus boost (thus you get less out of it), but also means you spend far more time at capped crit damage. Overall effect is that it tends to be the best melee body short of Juogi/+1 (where Tantra+2 body got gypped with only -5 MA delay instead of -10, otherwise it would have been ahead of Loki's).

Meanwhile, SS devolves to +HP with a minor damage boost as a bonus (barely 5% damage increase over no third atma at all, compared to 15%+ from GH or VV). As Guitarman mentioned, HP shouldn't be an issue. Even as a Taru, the only recent fight where I've really been concerned about my max HP was the Shinryu fight when we fought without brew. It's fine as a supplementary atma if you're lacking most Furtherance abyssites, or don't have AF3 body (putting it much closer to the other options), but there are definitely better combos.

Lacking Apocolypse, I'd go with RR+GH+VV over RR+GH+SS (should be about 7% better).