Final Form Magian Weapons

[Guitarman]

stupid question, but your results are factoring in the little benefits of the tantra+2 like the extra kick attack bonus, double damage fist attack and whatnot? Or is loki's just that much ahead of the body? I just hate to think of the wasted effort i put into getting the body.

edit: for reference, the random double damage attack i was talking about:

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i posted that finding in the empyrean armor thread and no one was able to offer an explination. you can clearly see its the first attack of that attack round, so it was my fist, not a kick. I noticed it after getting the cyclas. Would love to get your take on it.

[Arthars]

personally still love rr gh apoc for mnk ^^

i use rr gh ss for boss onry

[Atoreis]

Have you really just said that Loki's body is better TP option then Tantra+2 or I just woke up and can't read today? With RR+GH+apoc or VV I am 100% sure Tantra+2 is best TP body and nothing is probably even close (unless you maybe was talking about when Impetus is down and I didnt catch it)

[Cream Soda]

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IB4 Combo-breaker~

Huge thanks to Ella for sticking /w me through 11 days of grind. I realize I'm missing some gear, time to start working on that now =x

Aha! Caught you with your pants down.

Grats... HUME

Also, not sure if you've been keeping up w/ DAT swaps thread, but we have a hume F version of the Tantra Hose mod (that actually matches the rest of the set) coming soon (as well as the rest of the races/sexes)

[Taint]

Grats Oblit and Kirschy!!!

[Obsidian]

Long roundabout answer:

For pure damage, RR+Apoc+GH (for Ascetic's Fury) or RR+Apoc+VV (for Victory Smite), though the difference between the two combos isn't very large (maybe 1%). GH for more defense, VV for more TP lying around. SS is significantly weaker than either of those options once you factor in augmented Impetus (GH and VV are 8%-9% better than SS for damage), though it's closer if you don't have the AF3 body (they're only 2%-4% ahead).

With augmented Impetus, RR and Loki's, you should be hitting capped +crit damage almost half the time and have an overall average of ~+47% crit damage while Impetus is up, significantly reducing the value of SS atma. As for Loki's itself, it narrows the range of the augmented Impetus boost (thus you get less out of it), but also means you spend far more time at capped crit damage. Overall effect is that it tends to be the best melee body short of Juogi/+1 (where Tantra+2 body got gypped with only -5 MA delay instead of -10, otherwise it would have been ahead of Loki's).

Meanwhile, SS devolves to +HP with a minor damage boost as a bonus (barely 5% damage increase over no third atma at all, compared to 15%+ from GH or VV). As Guitarman mentioned, HP shouldn't be an issue. Even as a Taru, the only recent fight where I've really been concerned about my max HP was the Shinryu fight when we fought without brew. It's fine as a supplementary atma if you're lacking most Furtherance abyssites, or don't have AF3 body (putting it much closer to the other options), but there are definitely better combos.

Lacking Apocolypse, I'd go with RR+GH+VV over RR+GH+SS (should be about 7% better).

I may be misinformed but I thought you had to keep the Tantra body on to receive the Impetus bonus?

[Atoreis]

I may be misinformed but I thought you had to keep the Tantra body on to receive the Impetus bonus?

This.

[Motenten]

I may be misinformed but I thought you had to keep the Tantra body on to receive the Impetus bonus?

Ah, I didn't realize that. Was thinking of it as a boost similar to the rest of the AF/relic mnk has, where you only need to have it on when using the JA. If you lose the augment when swapping to another body piece, then yes, Tantra +1/+2 body beats the other options by a fair margin.

And the (presumed, effective) +1% KA rate from the set bonus didn't make a notable difference in the original comparison.

[FailureMidgard]

Ah, I didn't realize that. Was thinking of it as a boost similar to the rest of the AF/relic mnk has, where you only need to have it on when using the JA. If you lose the augment when swapping to another body piece, then yes, Tantra +1/+2 body beats the other options by a fair margin.

And the (presumed, effective) +1% KA rate from the set bonus didn't make a notable difference in the original comparison.

No AF3 pieces work that way as far as I can tell. They all need to be on when you want the effect to apply, and never need to be on for the activation.

[Shini]

Grats Isacc on your shiny new gun! Thanks for making us go crazy with Carabosse pops and fighting for ??? spawns with the JPs on CC D:

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[mallister]

congrats killer!

[Colenzo]

grats man, bang bang bitch

[Nermie]

Can you post the duo strategy?

Sorry for late reply - was too hopped up on trying to get Bukhis done .. Still 22/50 Bukhis's Wings since I was away on vacation for a week.

Duo was pretty simple after some failed testing runs. We figured that if we wanted to get our weapons we'd have to duo because nobody cares about Fistule. You should be able to get the duo down as long you're comfortable failing a few times just to figure out the strategy like us; however, the strategy was nearly fail proof except for times when we tried different atmas to speed it up. Our trial runs were back when cap was 85 so it got much easier at 90.

Duo strategy:
DD/Tank: BST/NIN
Kiter: Anything with long-range AOE spell/song/ability. Movement speed gear can be a necessity or Atma of Ambition

Let me start off by saying that I hate the hell out of Guimauve ... if you plan on doing this you'll understand why. Have the BST pull with pet and call the pet back to Fistule as you run to him. Run past Fistule a little bit and you can avoid the Dissolve move while still getting claim on Fistule. Make sure to be ready to use a Catholicon (sp?) in case Guimauve bindgas you. Once Fistule is claimed pull him all the way west in his spawn area.

The kiter (preferrably rdm/whm with w.legs or Atma of Ambition) should debuff fistule after the BST or pet has hate. Slow2, Para2, Bio3, Poison2, and Saboteur Blind. The kiter should then stay 22+ (you can debuff from this far) to avoid AOE gravity/bind/slow. When Fistule uses Cytokinesis the kiter should use a long-range AOE move (diaga works really well for this) after the mobs are actionable (wait a few seconds after pop) and start booking it east. Keep running along the northern wall near Licorice camp (try to avoid sight aggro here) until the Pustules despawn or deaggro. Once you get the hang of it choosing to deaggro or depsawn depends on your kill speed. If you kill too quickly then deaggroing will allow Fistule to pop new Pustules before the kiter gets back to camp - in this case you want to try to deaggro or simply kite the Pustules until Fistule uses Cytokinesis again.

[Julian]

I spy a Terria :D (hihi)

Grats on the gun!

[Pix!]

Finally done with this.. i like it.. Slugshot > one lucky RA > Slug Shot is pretty funny.
Basically for RNG.. (new Dark Adaman Bullets are SO sweet.. )
COR/DNC should be fine too :D
Needs more testings on proc rates, but it doesnt seem to be THAT rare.

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[Shini]

Hihi Julian :D

and thanks XD We banged it out for him in about 2 days (The Gems/Lanterns)

[Salmijr]

Duo was pretty simple after some failed testing runs. .

Waaaaay too complicated. Like anything in abyssea, toss a mnk + whm at it. Mnk uses counterstance and tanks against a wall. Tank both the nm and the adds. It's dead in 4 minutes, before counterstance wears. Can Use perfect counter w/e its up for a little more counters, but with relic feet and GH, counters will take care of all 3 mobs easily. 30 discharges in 24 hours this way.

And screw waiting/popping guimauve. Get yourself a supply of eft bloods, and pop/drag bloodgussler over.

[Nermie]

Wasn't that complicated but to each his own. My duo partner wasn't going to level MNK or WHM just for this. We got it down to 5minute kills and farmed TE/NM's inbetween. We farmed 100 Fistule Discharges this way.

And screw waiting/popping guimauve. Get yourself a supply of eft bloods, and pop/drag bloodgussler over.

Once they changed pop timers Fistule would spawn later than Guimauve. But before that update this was a major pain.

[Max™]

Hihi Julian :D

and thanks XD We banged it out for him in about 2 days (The Gems/Lanterns)

I'm sure he got "it" banged out of him as well in return, and by "it" I mean shit.

Grats Emo!

[Krispy]

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