Final Form Magian Weapons

[Massimo]

All you people do realize we're Lv90 now, right?

[Nightfyre]

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[Hyriu]

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[NynJa]

All you people do realize we're Lv90 now, right?

Once you get the WS its 'complete'. Whats a couple extra points of D going to do?

[Massimo]

Once you get the WS its 'complete'. Whats a couple extra points of D going to do?

More damage. /o\

[Julian]

The way I see it getting the 85 is kinda like finishing a relic, level 75, then the rest of the trials are just bonus damage and what not, like getting the relic up to level 90. (Minus the WS buff)

It's not over, but it's that tipping point where the weapon starts kicking major ass.

[Jericho]

I couldn't bring myself to post an Empyrean85 when there's Empyrean90s around. The shame.

[Kirschy]

I couldn't bring myself to post an Empyrean85 when there's Empyrean90s around. The shame.

I'd feel shame for anyone posting pics of a Lv90 Verethragna. I'm getting less than a ~50% drop rate on Dragua's Scales. 150+ kills when they'll probably patch the drop rate next update? That's almost as bad as doing ~8500 WS kills only to get it reduced to ~1,000 the following update. Lv 85 H2H/Scythe/PLM are completed in my eyes. (Same with any weapons from Apademak.)

[Naratu]

I'd feel shame for anyone posting pics of a Lv90 Verethragna. I'm getting less than a ~50% drop rate on Dragua's Scales. 150+ kills when they'll probably patch the drop rate next update? That's almost as bad as doing ~8500 WS kills only to get it reduced to ~1,000 the following update. Lv 85 H2H/Scythe/PLM are completed in my eyes. (Same with any weapons from Apademak.)

Yeah. :/ I did some Draguas with a few people in LS and got 3 scales out of 10 kills. Pretty much gave up for right now.

[Mathayus]

I'd feel shame for anyone posting pics of a Lv90 Verethragna. I'm getting less than a ~50% drop rate on Dragua's Scales. 150+ kills when they'll probably patch the drop rate next update? That's almost as bad as doing ~8500 WS kills only to get it reduced to ~1,000 the following update. Lv 85 H2H/Scythe/PLM are completed in my eyes. (Same with any weapons from Apademak.)

If only 85 harp was good enough.

[Byrthnoth]

I think Orthrus is the only truly easy path. I'm @38/75 on him in two days of farming (pulling approximately an equal number of Bennus). Except for the lack of Ruby-less mobs, the zone is set up excellently for farming:
Orthrus - Stone major, Jewel minor
Bennu - Coin major, Card minor
Hedjedjet - Card/Jewel Mediocre

You can pull about an equal amount of all four types of +2 item without leaving the northern no-man's-land of Altepa. They're all pretty easy mobs that can be killed by the 7 necessary Blue/Red proccers. It make Orthrus claws a byproduct of really successful AF3+2 body farming. By the way, they distributed confluxes really poorly in these new zones.

[Salmijr]

SO, if my rng is 85, can I post my 85 Gandiva?

[Massimo]

That would seem acceptable.

[Mojo]

I've been getting some PMs about the Briareus soloing and also Sobek so I figure I might as well post everything here in a bit more detail to maybe cut down on them. Sorry if I didn't answer your PMs. It takes a lot of time for me to write a well thought out response and I'm kinda lazy about stuff sometimes.

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Trophy Shield/Oversized Sock/Massive Armband

You're going to pretty much want THF subjob for this part. If you don't have it I'd recommend leveling it or you'll end up wasting a lot of your own stones as well as RL time. I preferred MNK/THF as Counterstance with VV/RR/Mounted Champion never required any healing and killed stuff fast without requiring too much of my attention (this part is boring and tedious.) To prevent time wasted to constant job changing, I would go in and farm one of each item then use a Scroll of Warp and send them to myself through the delivery box and repeat. Just hoard a bunch of, maybe 30 of each, and you're done with this step.

For the 3 NMs, you should be on NIN/WAR. Don't waste your time with DNC subjob or whatever. Proccing the red !! is what's most important and you need to be able to do it most of the time you engage or you'll waste time. Also, get the Abyssite of Discernment before doing this. It's extremely helpful. If you discover that you are unable to proc red then deaggro it (don't waste your pop hoping for luck, deaggro takes like a minute.) I typically did them in the order of Adamastor > Pantagruel > Grandgousier although priority should be given to Adamastor and Pantagruel when it's night time as Grandgousier is easy to deaggro at any time. Also keep a Scroll of Reraise handy as it can be used with Mijin Gakure to provide another source of deaggro. Use Gnarled Horn/RR/Mounted Champion for this.

Adamastor

There isn't really much to worry about. He's easy. If you can't proc red, kite him with movement speed or use a Sprinter's Drink. You can probably conflux him too although I never needed to try.

Pantagruel

Take him out of the pop area because you don't want other stuff linking on. He gets ice spikes after every Ice Roar that will last until he uses Morbid Hack. Morbid Hack can take you down to less than 10 HP and will be readied exactly 60 seconds after Ice Roar was used. You can avoid it by kiting it, so start running away at the 50 second mark. You can proc while he has spikes up although be careful about doing this as the damage increases as his HP decreases (maybe around 130 when he's very low.) Make sure to use Yurin and Myoshu to speed things up (fewer Ice Roars.) Deaggroing is similar to Adamastor.

Grandgousier

Fight it in the corner of where it's popped and you shouldn't get any links. He gains shock spikes after using Thunder Roar although they are much less potent than Pantagruel's ice spikes. You can proc while he has them up although it's difficult because he constantly uses Catapult and the you might be stunned also. Catapult counts as a weaponskill so you have to wait for it to finish before using a weaponskill. Catapult also goes through Utsusemi and will randomly dispel one buff if it hits you. You should use a full evasion build for this reason as you can still evade it. It can do a lot of damage when he HP is lower (900+ sometimes, maybe be careful about using Berserk although I'm not sure if that affects it.) It will ready Trebuchet follow by Catapult 60 seconds after Thunder Roar which can also do considerable damage. You'll be fine with a good evasion and the Regen that Mounted Champion provides although you should always keep a few temp potions/elixers/etc. on you for when you have bad luck. Deaggroing it is easy. Just run away, he'll eventually fall behind you because of Catapult. You'll probably get some links that you can kill later after you've reaggroed him. Myoshu and Yurin are very helpful. I could take him to 32%~ on any Katana/Dagger proc before he would even use Thunder Roar once. I don't advise meleeing during the spikes when he's lower than 50% as chipping away at your own HP raises the risk of death with Catapult becoming stronger. There is hate reset on the target of Trebuchet, for anyone that might be duoing or whatever.

After killing the 3 NMs and using another Scroll of Warp, I would change to DNC subjob for Briareus.

Briareus

I used VV/RR/GH and a full Haste build with meat as his accuracy/evasion is poor. Every TP move can be stunned with Violent Flourish. I recommend trying to do so as it will save you time (no TP wasted with Curing Waltz.) Keep your HP above 1700 as Colossal Slam can kill you otherwise. If gets off an 1111 Mercurial Strike, you need to run immediately. Don't bother recasting Utsusemi, just run or you will die. It will use Colossal Slam three times before returning to normal, all of which you avoid by running. This will also give your Ni recast ample time if it's down. Cast it after the third out of ranged slam. Myoshu and Yurin will speed up this fight as well. Really though this fight is pretty easy for the most part, I'd say much less annoying than Grandgousier and Pantagruel. Each fight took me around 7~8 minutes.

Alternatively, and perhaps ideally, you could use THF subjob and replace VV with MC. It may increase your helm drop rate and you can always use MC to restore your HP after every TP move (turn around if you have to.) I'm not sure by how much this could extend the fight, although in retrospect it seems worthwhile as the overwhelming majority of the time is spent gathering Briareus pop sets anyways. Maybe someone can try it and provide some feedback.

Sobek

I don't really feel the need to go over the NMs for getting Sobek pop set, they're all pretty easy. Farming pop sets can be done solo with GH/RR/MC although I think going in as a pair and putting a set on both and then just doing Sobek was better as we could farm time while we were in there very efficiently. I mostly duo'd this with my friend Lazytaru on NIN/WAR (VV/RR/GH) and BLM/WHM(ideally MM/Beyond/Ultimate.) Pull it out of the aggro area. It will cast a ga spell at some point along the way, the BLM should be ready to stun this if it's Blizzaga IV. Only stun Blizzaga IV through this fight as the time between its casts is shorter after other spells and it may otherwise begin casting Blizzaga IV when your stun timer is still down. Awful Eye gives hate reset and petrify so the BLM needs to be fast with Stona. You can proc grellow during the early stages of the fight although the BLM should be using crappy gear as you don't want him to have much hate. When its HP hits 35%, the NIN can start kiting it around, sorta. Just around in casting range of the BLM. The BLM can start going all out at this point with Blizzard V and the like as you don't want it building lots of TP at this point (Tyrant Tusk has a good chance of death at this point.) The heavy nukes will trigger its TP moves and you'll run out of range of Tyrant Tusk. Enmity Douse can be used. 5000+ Blizzard Vs will kill it pretty fast. We tried other things with Atma of the Einherjar for Resist Death and such, but I found this way to be the most efficient. You might die once in a while due to bad luck if you duo, but it's unlikely and not much of a loss anyways.

In regards to Ulhuadshi, I did it many times with NIN WHM BLM although BLM was just there for grellow. Fast cures/na spells are necessary. I can vouch for the increase in strength as its HP got lower. I found it convenient to just use a Stalwarts Tonic at around 45% to make it go faster. Myoshu and Yurin were great although if all you have is MNK then save Chi Blast for 45%~. I suppose mana burning would work although having only 2~3 people lotting on stones/jewels is nice and more practical to organize anyways.

[Salmijr]

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Havent touched my rng since we were doing DI back at lvl 75 other than leeching a fc to 85, and tossed some pieces when I was hurting for space before the claim slips, so need to rebuild my rng gear some. Gonna farm Yaanei for bonnet and eve for gloves tomorrow, to kinda finish rounding out my ws set. Oh, and just noticed my sj, lol... feel free to rip my gear apart, suggestions are welcome.

Tp gear /sam is the usual af3+1/2

Thanks to all the people who patiently farmed bukhis (and got their free af3 items lol). And thanks Aeyliea/Tribe for the 2 free wings ^^.

[Odin'sLaw]

SO, if my rng is 85, can I post my 85 Gandiva?

no we want full 5/5+2 before! 89 or nothing! lol

Edit, that's not the worst looking rng i've seen besides been a shortie ;o

[Salmijr]

Honestly, I was gonna wait till the weekend and post a pic of me in full af3+2, but meh, im not 90 (yet). Thats my gettho dex build for jishnu, - gloves.

[NynJa]

If you actually parse the average and compare between 100TP SA-Rudra's and Eviscerations in Abyssea with 2 Crit Atmas (74% crit rate), I don't see how this could be correct.

No bard in any of this
[22:11:09]Nynja expends 100 cruor and is now infused with an Atma of the Voracious Violet!
[22:11:20]Nynja expends 100 cruor and is now infused with an Atma of the Razed Ruins!
[22:14:15]Nynja expends 100 cruor and is now infused with an Atma of the Omnipotent!
[22:36:22]Nynja uses Rudra's Storm. (SA)
[22:36:22]The Ignis Eruca takes 6331 points of damage.

[22:49:51]Nynja uses Rudra's Storm. (SA)
[22:49:51]The Lusca takes 4221 points of damage.

[22:51:39]Nynja uses Rudra's Storm. (AC/SA)
[22:51:39]Kampe takes 4036 points of damage.

[22:52:18]Nynja uses Rudra's Storm. (TA)
[22:52:18]The Defile Scorpion takes 3702 points of damage.

[22:55:19]Nynja uses Rudra's Storm.(TA)
[22:55:19]The Rift Dragon takes 3238 points of damage.

[22:58:38]Nynja uses Rudra's Storm. (TA)
[22:58:38]The Smok takes 2970 points of damage.

*bunch of garbage numbers on Drekvac like this*
[23:39:00]Nynja uses Rudra's Storm. (SA)
[23:39:00]The Drekavac takes 1126 points of damage.

[00:31:18]Nynja uses Rudra's Storm. (SA)
[00:31:18]Gaizkin takes 4140 points of damage.

[00:34:47]Nynja uses Rudra's Storm. (SA)
[00:34:47]Gaizkin takes 4218 points of damage.

VS

[22:43:32]Nynja uses Evisceration.
[22:43:32]The Defile Scorpion takes 2424 points of damage.

[22:44:16]Nynja uses Evisceration.
[22:44:16]The Defile Scorpion takes 2559 points of damage.

[23:12:04]Nynja uses Evisceration.
[23:12:04]The Spuk takes 1080 points of damage.

[23:36:02]Nynja uses Evisceration.
[23:36:02]The Spuk takes 1083 points of damage.

[23:54:53]Nynja uses Evisceration.
[23:54:53]The Decayed Flesh takes 2197 points of damage.

Evis goes without SA/TA since its best unbuffed, Rudra's goes stacked. You can run theory numbers, but I know whats better >.>


And no, I'm not trying to gloat "OMG BBQ" dmg numbers, I'm just pointing out that Rudra's is shit without SA/TA, but if the timer is up, it'll shit over Evis.

[Byrthnoth]

Well then, your first three lines pretty much explain everything. Without a ~75% Crit rate, SA-Evisceration isn't going to be as good as SA-Rudra's.

Make these changes and try again:
Voracious Violet -> Atma of the Gnarled Horn (50 AGI, 20% Crit rate, ~10% Counter)
Omnipotent -> Atma of the Apocalypse (15% TA, instant Reraise).

You shouldn't need Omnipotent's 10% Haste, as it counts towards your Gear cap and there are a million better ways to do it. That Atma boils down to 50 DEX, which is ridiculous to waste an Atma slot for.
Voracious Violet may give you a point of fSTR with daggers and meat, or it may not depending which zone you're in. That Atma is basically 5% DA and 25 Attack with 2TP/tick regain that may or may not drop a single swing. Even assuming you wanted those stats, there are better options. Plaguebringer would give you the same DA and more TP/sec, for instance.

[NynJa]

If you base all your damage on WS and not what happens while you're building TP...sure, go nuts.