Final Form Magian Weapons

[Byrthnoth]

Not really. Look at the Atmas I suggested again, keeping in mind they work both during TP and WS.

[Gunitsoldier]

Thank you for that post Mojo !

[Mojo]

If you base all your damage on WS and not what happens while you're building TP...sure, go nuts.

You're making this claim while admitting to using Omnipotent over Gnarled Horn or Apocalypse thus depriving yourself of atmas that will eclipse the increase in DoT from whatever other subpar wrong choice gear you're meleeing in.

[Kidnoftle]

Stuff

Mutliple different mob types with terrible atma choice proves just about nothing. The point is that the more haste/crit% you accrue the less appealing rudras will be. Use at least 75% in crit+% source (altho I don't know why you wouldn't just go for 90% RR/GH/DD, albeit I'm not too familiar w/ thf ws gear) and evis will win. VV/Omni are doing far less for you than crit%+ atmas.

Ignorance is acceptable, but preaching false information acting like you know what you're talking about warrants a "kill yourself plz".

I'll just leave this here.

[Darkmagi]

Apoc>DD, pretty much always unless you really need eva for some reason.

[NynJa]

Pending till I do another abyssea run on thf.

Not that its a proper baseline, but said atmas cant be so bad if after TAing half my WS's on to others, I still can gank gate just from melee strikes. Unfortunately I dont have an actual damage parse. I'm also 3boxing 99% of the time, and focus on other tasks away from nynja where said Regain has purpose.

Sits situational, you know, that old saying, "Shit is situational". If the situation calls for it, I go VV/Omni/Apoc. WHY OMNI AGAIN U LOSER. I can wear full AF3+2 and cap out Haste with just Omnipotent's 10%. From there, I go with the following:
Daka+2/Triplus/Raider
AF3+2/Love(pending something better)/Suppa/Brutal
AF3+2/AF3+2/Epona/Rajas
Atheling/Nusku(still need to get)/AF3+2/AF3+2

There hasnt been any testing done in regards to how much the full set affects proc rate, but if someone would like to test it before I get around to, go nuts. If you'd like to crunch numbers, sure.

I'll just leave this here.

Hemad he doesnt know how blue!! works;;

[chichicha]

I do like af3+2 sets too. Although idk what's the process rate.

[Kidnoftle]

Pending till I do another abyssea run on thf.

Not that its a proper baseline, but said atmas cant be so bad if after TAing half my WS's on to others, I still can gank gate just from melee strikes. Unfortunately I dont have an actual damage parse. I'm also 3boxing 99% of the time, and focus on other tasks away from nynja where said Regain has purpose.

Ok, so you don't know how hate works and yet you're running around with your fists out, got it.

I'm not going to claim I know the end all of thf, but I do know enough about crit dmg and the gear available to say that there is probably no reason for omni (all you're really getting is the 50dex, idk why you're building haste sets around an atma since from a cursory look through thf gear its piss easy to cap haste w/o dragging down *any* stat). I don't understand why you're using VV at all on thf since any crit dmg+% atma will outperform it and I don't understand why you have such a hard on for a ws that has been proven by byr on at least 2 separate occasions to be mediocre in any fight where it can't constantly be stacked w/ SA w/o hindering WSfreq.

Also, hurr durr yeah I was wrong about a blue proc on glavoid, ergo I don't understand blue procs.

Apoc>DD, pretty much always unless you really need eva for some reason.

Sorry didn't know/see anything related to it. I know it's not a trash atma, I just (mostly from kannagi users) thought that DD was better.

[Atoreis]

DD is not better for Kannagi users. Its next best after Apoc.

[Raen Ryong]

Stuffs

I don't agree with Omnipotent but that's gonna be covered by other people no doubt.

If you don't need the accuracy (which you shouldn't), I'd recommend Agasaya's Collar, Tiercel Necklace or Almah Torque for neck depending on situation. All three offer Subtle Blow and Almah Torque will give you a minor boost to WS frequency.

[Byrthnoth]

Okay, actually that explains everything. Though it isn't on wiki, Rudra's fTP increases a lot like Fudo's with higher TP. Combining tri-boxing (probably over-TPing) with your odd Atma choice, and you get Rudra's coming out better. Use whatever works for you, I guess, but it seems silly to get Twashtar for a character that you don't actively play while using Atmas for a build that you (admittedly) don't have the essential parts of.

[Malacite]

Okay, actually that explains everything. Though it isn't on wiki, Rudra's fTP increases a lot like Fudo's with higher TP. Combining tri-boxing (probably over-TPing) with your odd Atma choice, and you get Rudra's coming out better. Use whatever works for you, I guess, but it seems silly to get Twashtar for a character that you don't actively play while using Atmas for a build that you (admittedly) don't have the essential parts of.

So then would Smiting Blow be a viable Atma for Rudra's users?

[TheTaru]

Considering it only gives a TP bonus to two-handed weapon skills, no.

[Atoreis]

So then would Smiting Blow be a viable Atma for Rudra's users?

This time I dont even know if he is trolling or he can really type with brain switched off.

[Nightfyre]

So then would Smiting Blow be a viable Atma for Rudra's users?

No... Even if it worked for them, no.

[LidenbokValour]

Might be slighly off topic, but can someone post a decent/best fudo build so I have something to work off? thanks.

[Shenrien]

input /equip legs "Unkai Haidate +2";
input /equip feet "Ace's Sabatons";
input /equip ear1 "Bushinomimi";
input /equip ring1 "Hoard Ring";
input /equip ring2 "Rajas Ring";
input /equip ear2 "Brutal Earring";
input /equip ammo "White Tathlum";
input /equip neck "Unkai Nodowa";
input /equip hands "Dusk Gloves +1";
input /equip waist "Bullwhip Belt";
input /equip back "Tactical Mantle";
input /equip body "Unkai Domaru +2";
input /equip head "Unkai Kabuto +2";
input /equip sub "Rose Strap";
input /equip main "Masamune";

gives 21 TP return, lets you swap out Unkai Haidate +2 in your WS setup for Hachiryu Haidate, and still keep 5 hit.

edit; ws set - assuming your using sekkanoki, if not swap out kote for Heafoc Mitts.

input /equip ear1 "Brutal Earring";
input /equip ear2 "Flame Pearl";
input /equip ring1 "Rajas Ring";
input /equip ring2 "Strigoi Ring";
input /equip waist "Snow Belt";
input /equip neck "Snow Gorget";
input /equip main "Masamune";
input /equip legs "Hachiryu Haidate";
input /equip feet "Unkai Sune-Ate +2";
input /equip back "Unkai Sugemino";
input /equip sub "Rose Strap";
input /equip hands "Unkai Kote +2";
input /equip head "Varangian Helm";
input /equip ammo "Thew Bomblet";
input /equip body "Byrnie +1";

[LidenbokValour]

Awesome thanks

[Atoreis]

I'm not buying that byrnie+1 i better for fudo then Twilight.
10 STR vs 17 att on 60% WS? They at elast equal probably in uncapped attack situation and ofc Twiligth is better in capped so if you have Twilight you probably can pass on Byrnie.

[Eleven19]

I'm not buying that byrnie+1 i better for fudo then Twilight.
10 STR vs 17 att on 60% WS? They at elast equal probably in uncapped attack situation and ofc Twiligth is better in capped so if you have Twilight you probably can pass on Byrnie.

You know, I've kind of been on the fence for a while about my Byrnie for Amano. Would twilight trump byrnie for both Fudo and Kaiten now? Or does that Att+25 still make more of a difference than +10 more STR even in uncapped situation?