Final Form Magian Weapons

[Nameless]

It is tough to say. If your fstr is not capped, then 10 str is definitely going to help you more than 17 attack since it adds to both fstr and WSC. If fstr is capped, then it is about the same as 17 attack if your attack is around 750-800 against mob same lvl as you. However, thanks to the way cratio is calculated, attack means alot more then the % represents when the mob is higher lvl than you. So really either way works.

[NynJa]

So I took your 'amazing advice', and doing RR/GH/Apoc...first round of testing, this trio fucking sucks balls. I'm not only TPing a shitton slower, my eviscerations seem to average less. Perhaps your "super" atma combination relies on having a bard with you...which falls once again to what I said before: Shit is situational

[Atoreis]

So I took your 'amazing advice', and doing RR/GH/Apoc...first round of testing, this trio fucking sucks balls. I'm not only TPing a shitton slower, my eviscerations seem to average less. Perhaps your "super" atma combination relies on having a bard with you...which falls once again to what I said before: Shit is situational

Did you cap equip haste or just trying as much as you can to win this discussion?

[ronin sparthos]

Grats to Stormsurge on his 85 Farsha~!

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d1...111_194157.png

[Julian]

aww cute, do want concrete info on the ws, though!

[NynJa]

Did you cap equip haste or just trying as much as you can to win this discussion?

AF3+2 hd (6)
AF3+2 bd (5)
Homam Hn (3)
Twilight Belt (7)
AF3+2 legs (5)

I believe thats 26% Gear haste, I dont think I fucked that math up. All forms of DW havent changed either.

[Galattea]

Well, while discussing Byrnie +1 vs Twilight for Fudo, what about Ukko's Fury ? How does Twilight Mail compare to Ravager's Lorica +2 during ws ? I'm guessing that piece by piece comparison Twilight should pull out ahead, but when factoring in WAR AF3+2 set bonus, I'm not quite sure anymore. Does anyone know ?

[Nightfyre]

I thought set bonus didn't proc on WS?

[Nameless]

I don't know why we are assuming that, has anyone done a test yet? I see no reason that it can't proc during ws.

[NynJa]

I don't know why we are assuming that, has anyone done a test yet? I see no reason that it can't proc during ws.

I've been meaning to test this while testing full set proc rate. MIGHT be worthwhile to WS in full set for certain jobs.

[Sehrahin]

Grats to Stormsurge on his 85 Farsha~!

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d1...111_194157.png

Aww I'm a lil slow, grats on that. Started my Farsha 2 weeks ago and @7 wings to complete it. Will have it done by end of the week hopefully. Wanna get some testing done on the WS myself. Don't have BST though, lolwar etc.

[Tribe]

Well, while discussing Byrnie +1 vs Twilight for Fudo, what about Ukko's Fury ? How does Twilight Mail compare to Ravager's Lorica +2 during ws ? I'm guessing that piece by piece comparison Twilight should pull out ahead, but when factoring in WAR AF3+2 set bonus, I'm not quite sure anymore. Does anyone know ?

Grim Cuirass/+1 says Hi. Purely for WS, it should still be the best peice to wear, specially when Crit rate and damage are already capped.

[pugnax179]

Grats to Slane on his Almace

Spoiler: show

[Naratu]

Grats baldy!!

[Neisan]

Grim Cuirass/+1 says Hi. Purely for WS, it should still be the best peice to wear, specially when Crit rate and damage are already capped.

Please explain how you are capping critical hit rate on War, don't say GH+DD either. Zahak's is about equal to NQ (Very close to it) and Hachiryu is still beating NQ from what I can see when using Raging Rush.

[Neisan]

EDIT: Double Post

[Massimo]

I was under the impression that NQ Grim and Zahak was almost equal under capped attack, with Zahak having a slight edge. I personally sold my Zahak when I bought my Grim+1, but if I should be using Zahak during berserk again, that'd actually be nice to know.

[Neisan]

Edited post just to make sure I didn't mess up the calculations again, forgot to switch back from Raging >.<

Hachiryu is still beating the NQ with Zahak's about tied but Zahak's under Zerk and Grim+1 with Zerk down seems to be the best option.

[Massimo]

How is 2% Crit rate beating 10 STR (Hachiryu vs Zahak)? I don't really believe it.

[Neisan]

It's barely winning to be honest, assuming you WS in both regardless of Zerk up/down. The attack is a contributing factor with attack down as Zahak does worse without berserk up.