Final Form Magian Weapons

[Seyrr]

Seemed to be implying my reading comprehension skills fail. Either way, I'd like to hear if there's any sort of hidden effect to Hvergelmir.

Actually, a friend of mine who has the first stage of Hvergelmir reported that his nukes seemed to be doing a bit more damage than they were supposed to if the staff has no hidden effects. He's not certain though, and would like to know how best to test this (and codify any differences.) Suggestions?

[Nightfyre]

Take it off, nuke, put it on, nuke, post results?

[zagex]

Take it off, nuke, put it on, nuke, post results?

Once he establishes there is a difference, he should do nukes with staff and without staff for:
elemental atma on/off
MAB atma on/off
once those numbers are all determined, it can be established whether the bonus is MAB, elemental atma/magian, or elemental staff/other

As a given, all tests should be performed with 0 magic crit and without +2 blm gear.

[Tortalius]

nuke once with it on, and once with it off....

[Aurara]

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Thanks soooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much.
Chucknoris, Nubbinater, Khyeu. Phillyphool, Tortuga, Trege, Sonoftrege, Artaxes ls, Cotter Deadlegend, Kiwikima, Kaniko, and everyone else who helped me finish this.

[Seyrr]

Once he establishes there is a difference, he should do nukes with staff and without staff for:
elemental atma on/off
MAB atma on/off
once those numbers are all determined, it can be established whether the bonus is MAB, elemental atma/magian, or elemental staff/other

As a given, all tests should be performed with 0 magic crit and without +2 blm gear.

Thank you. The main thing I had wanted to establish was if there were particular mob types to try/avoid (level 1? Something EM?) or other things like that which could potentially skew results. I'll poke him about going and testing some of this out later, and report results.

[Seyrr]

Thank you. The main thing I had wanted to establish was if there were particular mob types to try/avoid (level 1? Something EM?) or other things like that which could potentially skew results. I'll poke him about going and testing some of this out later, and report results.

Never mind. Tested on some of the slimes in Bostaunieux for a Magian trial, and with/without Hvergelmir, the damage was identical. Slimes don't resist magic much, right? Looks like it was just wishful thinking on his part, or possibly a false positive from changed Atma or something.

[Moridam]

Never mind. Tested on some of the slimes in Bostaunieux for a Magian trial, and with/without Hvergelmir, the damage was identical. Slimes don't resist magic much, right? Looks like it was just wishful thinking on his part, or possibly a false positive from changed Atma or something.

Unrelated, but... You ever make any progress on Verethragna? I remember hitting up a whole mess of the lottery NM's with you back over the summer when the cap got bumped to 80, haha.

[Seyrr]

Unrelated, but... You ever make any progress on Verethragna? I remember hitting up a whole mess of the lottery NM's with you back over the summer when the cap got bumped to 80, haha.

Not on that, but I do have the first stage of Gandiva. Waiting to finish Bukhis before I put up any pictures though.

[Gabai]

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Thanks soooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much.
Chucknoris, Nubbinater, Khyeu. Phillyphool, Tortuga, Trege, Sonoftrege, Artaxes ls, Cotter Deadlegend, Kiwikima, Kaniko, and everyone else who helped me finish this.

Well fuck you buddy.

Also, congrats. Welcome to the club.

[Hitoseijuro]

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Thanks soooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much.
Chucknoris, Nubbinater, Khyeu. Phillyphool, Tortuga, Trege, Sonoftrege, Artaxes ls, Cotter Deadlegend, Kiwikima, Kaniko, and everyone else who helped me finish this.

Grats!

Wheres my name D: Im pretty sure my /tells to you were all very inspirational and modivating for you!

lets not talk about some of the ppl in my shell not knowing how to spell your name and telling me you werent on that one night so I could finish it for you -_- but but but the thought counts??!

[Sho]

BLACK POWER! Cg bro. soon as i get my mac book pro or karen loans me her tower i will be back to fuck with niggas. I hear xylina needs some masamune... Got work to do... :D

Should restart a new NML imo. You playing on a girl character is weird as shit, lol.

[Nameless]

According to JP tests, it looks like the ignore defense property of Quietus is -10% at 100% tp, as well as the Drg WS. Definitely not a very overwhelming property sadly...

[Nameless]

Also, just read this from a JP source as well that Ukko's Fury seems to give double the critical hit %. So assuming 24% critical hit rate, you will critcal 49%. So in abyssea you are likely going to have 100% critical hit rate during ukko's fury with just RR atma, which explain why it is so powerful there.

Edit: I am not sure why it cuts my post off when I post a link but that's supposed to be the source, which is in JP anyway.

[Foldypaws]

According to JP tests, it looks like the ignore defense property of Quietus is -10% at 100% tp, as well as the Drg WS. Definitely not a very overwhelming property sadly...

Hmm. I'd like to see more test information. If true that's remarkably underwhelming given that IIRC, Wheeling was -50% defense @ 100 TP?

[Byrthnoth]

Also, just read this from a JP source as well that Ukko's Fury seems to give double the critical hit %. So assuming 24% critical hit rate, you will critcal 49%. So in abyssea you are likely going to have 100% critical hit rate during ukko's fury with just RR atma, which explain why it is so powerful there.

Edit: I am not sure why it cuts my post off when I post a link but that's supposed to be the source, which is in JP anyway.

It would be interesting to learn what their testing methodology was. I'm surprised they could differentiate between a static bonus and a multiplier, given how much trouble Masa had doing his WS Crit bonus tests.

[Nameless]

I believe they did a 24% test which resulted in 49% critical hit rate on Ukko's. Then they did a 33% test, which resulted in 66%. Thus it couldn't be a fixed rate cuz if it was a 25% fixed bonus, the second test would have been 58% instead of 66%. That's what I get from the reading.

[Nameless]

I am not sure if it will get cut off again, but this is the link to the Quietus test:

http://syunff11.blog.shinobi.jp/Page/1/

Basically it is saying at 100% it is 10%, at 200% it is 30%, then at 300% it is 50% ignore def.

And this is the Ukko's test link:

http://willatwill.blog87.fc2.com/blo...-549.html#more

In JP but you can see the number.

[Massimo]

Calling bullshit on 95% crit rate during Ukko's with just RR. From experience, MS increases the damage by a fair amount and I've had many weaponskills that suggested I didn't crit a single time. I know that's still possible with a 95% crit rate, but yeah.

[Nameless]

Sorry for the multiple posts, but this is the link of the best compilation of all the info. A lot that we don't know about it seems. Drakesbane seems to give a 10% fixed critical hit rate, and has a hidden 18.75% ratio bonus. The site pretty much has a layout of all the WS with ratio bonus and how much % is the bonus, and all the WS of all the critical hit bonus.

http://www7b.biglobe.ne.jp/~fit/dmg/top.htm

You have to click on that [更新履歴] thing to see more info.

Again, in JP, but I hope someone who understands it fully can translate. I can read about 50% of it only.