Final Form Magian Weapons

[Mojo]

Cleaving solo or even with I'd say less than 6 people is not nearly as efficient as NMs (even for Chloris) and seems to be only popular among groups who never actually tried doing the NMs, just got caught up in the cleave fever.

[Yugl]

I remember me and FM getting into an argument over that. Where the hell were you to back me up Mojo?!

[Mojo]

Sorry was soloin' Glavoid

[Arthars]

get a friend and duo it so other people can do it if they queueing XD

i just dont really like the idea of soloing and cockblock other people sorry

silent hours? sure go ahead

[SteveMc]

Currently farming an Ukon and there's like 100,000 JPs here cleaving and us just doing NMs, never once had any competition on Gnat or Sandworm, just coming from farming 2 Kannagi's though, this sucks it takes double the time to farm one Glavoid then it took to a Braireus, but we farm 5 full pops and spam then get to grinding out those Nms.

[Mojo]

Glavoid solo doesn't take that long, between 7-10 mins, so I wouldn't say it's much of a cockblock to anybody.

[drwaffles]

Glavoid solo doesn't take that long, between 7-10 mins, so I wouldn't say it's much of a cockblock to anybody.

What job are you soloing it on and how do you deal with Gorge/Disgorge?

[Andradi]

Based on previous posts I'd assume the answer is Ninja and... Migiwari?

[Mojo]

Based on previous posts I'd assume the answer is Ninja and... Migiwari?

Pretty much.

[Malacite]

8 hours of cleaving on monday got us like 30 glavoids and 1 chloris, fuck random number generator.

on the plus side just about done with Ukonvasara, and almost no progress with Verethragna, going to be so annoyed when I work on Verethragna after Kannagi .. maybe >_> idk yet

Ewww really? Even with a full group?

So better off low-manning and praying for Red then?

[Greatguardian]

Ewww really? Even with a full group?

So better off low-manning and praying for Red then?

That really depends on how many people you have leeching who can hold KIs. When I was doing Vereth, we ran into a couple of people who were working on Ukon and Twashtar and were able to trade our Glavoid pops for their Chloris pops 1:1. It worked extremely well and we both ended up doing a lot less work overall. If you or someone in your group is working on Ukon and Vereth at the same time, that also makes cleaving much more desirable. The biggest issue with cleaving is cloned KIs. We saw a ton more Bat Wings than we ever did Hecteyes Eyelids. It only took me about 2 days to finish 50 Chloris buds though, with about 3-4 people awake and on real jobs 99% of the time with maybe 5 others leeching exp on subs and mules. If you're sitting at an average of 2-3 people total though, like a lot of people who dualbox their Emps solo, then yes it is significantly more prudent to just proc Red on the NMs.

[Deader2818]

Honestly. Its random. The first time I went, we got mostly Glavoid KIs and few mandy KIs. The next couple of times, we got alot of Mandy KIs and few KIs.

If you are just starting, and have people with you, cleaving and then just doing nms to finish pop sets is pretty fast. Also, can see in the zone and see if someone else is farming just for Glavoid pops and team up with them.

As I got down to 38/50, each, it was a bit easier and faster to just build pop sets and get KIs from the NM themselves.

Now even with that said, if you go that route, you should still cap your amber lights. Since you will be killing nms anyways for trigger items/getting TE, its worth it as we were able to get a few KIs from chests while farming the pop items.

Hell, even made a little gil selling the pop items we didnt need.

[Thorny]

@Mojo: Do you honestly think farming the NMs is more efficient? If we go over a quick sample:

Baleful Skull - 2 minutes
Cannered Noz - 6 minutes
Travel - 90 seconds
Bloody Fang - 2 minutes
Treble Noctules - 2 minutes
Torn Bat Wing - 13.5 Min

HQ Limule Pincer - 2 minutes
Vetehinen - 3 minutes
Travel - 60 seconds
HQ Clionid Wing - 2 minutes
Halimede - 2 minutes
Travel - 2 minutes
Bloodshot Hecteye - 2 minutes
Ophanim - 2 minutes
Veinous Hecteyes Eyelid - 16 Min

Alkaline Humus - 2 minutes
Gancanagh - 2 minutes
Travel - 2 minutes
Venomous Scorpion Stinger - 2 minutes
Hedetet - 2 minutes
Gory Scorpion CLaw - 10 min

Travel - 2 minutes
Chukwa - ~10 minutes(at least on my server it's pretty camped, just estimating an average here since you'll usually need to wait on next repop + kill it)
Mossy Adamantoise Shell - 12 min

Chloris Pop - 51.5 minutes

Eft Egg - 2 min
abas - 2 min
travel - 2 min
cockatrice tailmeat - 2 min
alectryon - 2 min
fat-lined cockatrice skin - 10 min

shocking whisker - 2 min
tefenet - 2 min
travel - 1 min
resilient mane - 2 min
muscaliet - 2 min
luxuriant manticore mane - 9 min

Adze - ~10 minutes(at least on my server it's pretty camped, just estimating an average here since you'll usually need to wait on next repop + kill it)

Minhocao - ~10 minutes(at least on my server it's pretty camped, just estimating an average here since you'll usually need to wait on next repop + kill it)

Glavoid Pop - 39 minutes

Total: 90 minutes for a pop of each, if you assume each item drops 1/5 in 2 minutes then you'll kill about 71 mobs in 100 min, with lights capped this is ~90% box rate ~75% blue rate ~20% TE rate, 9.585 TEs, so should almost support time keeping up if these estimates are right. An additional note is that if you are duoing you will need to spend 1-2min deaggroing on occasion to get a weakness you can trigger.

AOE farming is much harder to estimate, and to be used properly it needs to be combined with either farming the single mobs when you cap on one KI or having enough people present to hold KIs. Ideally, you're looking at about 40% blue 40% gold 20% red chests, with a pull of 20 monsters resulting in 18 chests. If a KI is 1/10(i feel this is very conservative), you get .72 key items per pull by that logic. 20% of them will be lacovie, and irrelevant, so you get .576 useful KIs per pull. A good group can do this with just RDM and an aoe job, and repeat every 5 minutes. In the 90 minutes it takes to get 8 KIs farming normally, you'll get approximately 10.368 doing this. This is a bonus of more than 25% efficiency while used, as long as you keep in mind that you need to mix it with the NMs so as not to waste KIs. Additionally, this allows the opportunity for your friends/linkshell to afk leech exp, or help out on jobs they need to level.. which is an obvious plus. It also gives you more than enough time that you don't have to worry about stone count, afk time, or in extreme cases you can even stay in zone while sleeping or going about daily obligations.

This all assumes you're making use of both shells and buds, if you're only targetting a single empyrean and don't want to team up with someone doing the other, then you're best off farming the NMs by far.

Side Note: While both methods are subject to congestion, cleave(the 50-box cap, not monster availability)'s is generally much less severe than congestion at single NMs.

[Kirschy]

@Mojo: Do you honestly think farming the NMs is more efficient? If we go over a quick sample:

Baleful Skull - 2 minutes
Cannered Noz - 6 minutes
Travel - 90 seconds
Bloody Fang - 2 minutes
Treble Noctules - 2 minutes
Torn Bat Wing - 13.5 Min

HQ Limule Pincer - 2 minutes
Vetehinen - 3 minutes
Travel - 60 seconds
HQ Clionid Wing - 2 minutes
Halimede - 2 minutes
Travel - 2 minutes
Bloodshot Hecteye - 2 minutes
Ophanim - 2 minutes
Veinous Hecteyes Eyelid - 16 Min

Alkaline Humus - 2 minutes
Gancanagh - 2 minutes
Travel - 2 minutes
Venomous Scorpion Stinger - 2 minutes
Hedetet - 2 minutes
Gory Scorpion CLaw - 10 min

Travel - 2 minutes
Chukwa - ~10 minutes(at least on my server it's pretty camped, just estimating an average here since you'll usually need to wait on next repop + kill it)
Mossy Adamantoise Shell - 12 min

Chloris Pop - 51.5 minutes

Eft Egg - 2 min
abas - 2 min
travel - 2 min
cockatrice tailmeat - 2 min
alectryon - 2 min
fat-lined cockatrice skin - 10 min

shocking whisker - 2 min
tefenet - 2 min
travel - 1 min
resilient mane - 2 min
muscaliet - 2 min
luxuriant manticore mane - 9 min

Adze - ~10 minutes(at least on my server it's pretty camped, just estimating an average here since you'll usually need to wait on next repop + kill it)

Minhocao - ~10 minutes(at least on my server it's pretty camped, just estimating an average here since you'll usually need to wait on next repop + kill it)

Glavoid Pop - 39 minutes

Total: 90 minutes for a pop of each, if you assume each item drops 1/5 in 2 minutes then you'll kill about 71 mobs in 100 min, with lights capped this is ~90% box rate ~75% blue rate ~20% TE rate, 9.585 TEs, so should almost support time keeping up if these estimates are right. An additional note is that if you are duoing you will need to spend 1-2min deaggroing on occasion to get a weakness you can trigger.

AOE farming is much harder to estimate, and to be used properly it needs to be combined with either farming the single mobs when you cap on one KI or having enough people present to hold KIs. Ideally, you're looking at about 40% blue 40% gold 20% red chests, with a pull of 20 monsters resulting in 18 chests. If a KI is 1/10(i feel this is very conservative), you get .72 key items per pull by that logic. 20% of them will be lacovie, and irrelevant, so you get .576 useful KIs per pull. A good group can do this with just RDM and an aoe job, and repeat every 5 minutes. In the 90 minutes it takes to get 8 KIs farming normally, you'll get approximately 10.368 doing this. This is a bonus of more than 25% efficiency while used, as long as you keep in mind that you need to mix it with the NMs so as not to waste KIs. Additionally, this allows the opportunity for your friends/linkshell to afk leech exp, or help out on jobs they need to level.. which is an obvious plus. It also gives you more than enough time that you don't have to worry about stone count, afk time, or in extreme cases you can even stay in zone while sleeping or going about daily obligations.

This all assumes you're making use of both shells and buds, if you're only targetting a single empyrean and don't want to team up with someone doing the other, then you're best off farming the NMs by far.

Side Note: While both methods are subject to congestion, cleave(the 50-box cap, not monster availability)'s is generally much less severe than congestion at single NMs.

Your time estimate on Chloris pop is fairly accurate. I was averaging about 4hrs/4pops with my method, and that was with little/no competition at most NMs. (This is mostly done tribox, or dualbox'd.)

I tried cleaving, but it didn't work for me at all, that's not to say it's bad though.

[Cream Soda]

Yea, that sounds about right. When I dual boxed it, could only do 2 pops at a time, took 2-2.5 hrs depending on !! procs and having to deaggro etc.

Also

I tried cleaving, but it didn't work for me at all, that's not to say it's bad though.

[Yugl]

The estimates on timed pops are misleading because you can do other things while waiting on repops. Other than that, KIs only come when you don't want them. Otherwise, it's going to be a box of temporary Stalwart Gambir.

[Francisco]

Haven't done a whole lot of farming yet - I have a NIN friend who is really helpful with Chloris pops. In turn, I help her with farming/holding Briareus sets.

Pretty much all the NMs are easy with MNK/DNC and NIN/DNC duo... Chukwa is a little rough and might require reraise since you can't stun it's spells.

I've soloed the Limule, could probably solo the Clionid if I save enough TP to kill it fast once it uses Chainspell (or use a Fool's Drink/Powder)... Cannered Noz is an easy solo, the Thew NM is also a joke... I'm pretty sure I could solo Ophanim, Hedetet and Treble Noctules as well - but probably shouldn't since I only have two of the weaponskills to trigger red weakness.

[solanis]

you can crunch statistics as much as you like, but it really comes down to how many people you have. when we cleaved, it was just two people 80% of the time, and I'll be damned if we ever saw a hecteyes eyelid when we needed one. it's less about KIs going to waste, and more about the low odds of getting the one you want. eyeballing (yadda yadda) our sample size of four days worth of cleaving, so hundreds and hundreds of KIs, certain ones definitely seemed to have a lower appearance rate. could be a fluke though. I'm gonna go with greatguardian on this one.

the real benefit we found was that it allowed us to farm relatively efficiently with just two people and we never had to leave the zone. we just went to sleep in the base camp and came back in the morning. when we did a glavoid-specific run a few weeks later we had three people, so it was much easier to red everything and have no waste.

idk about the rest of you, but I found cleaving to be really draining mentally. maybe it was the endless repetition or that we didn't leave the zone, but I felt cabin feverish. D: killing nms was much more enjoyable to me.

[Zag]

Your time estimate on Chloris pop is fairly accurate. I was averaging about 4hrs/4pops with my method, and that was with little/no competition at most NMs. (This is mostly done tribox, or dualbox'd.)

I tried cleaving, but it didn't work for me at all, that's not to say it's bad though.

Thought u were boteau at first kirschy lol.
I was averaging 4 pops every 4 hours as well and they were trio boxed whm war nin, he would switch 1 of the DDs for his TH7 THF for chloris. TH11 yields 2 buds 100% from what we discovered.

We tried amber farming and got like 5 pop sets with amber. BUt it was much faster to stop relying on luck and go str8 for the NMs. When my trio box partner was NOT online. I would dbox 8-9 sets of trigs and pop all the NMs with him after when he got online.

Acidic humjus can be brought cheap in AH as well as bloody fangs. Or you can solo them.

-Bloody fang
-Acidic humus
-Tarnished pincer
-Bloodshot hecteye
-V.Scorpion stinger

Can ALL be soloed with ease.

-shrieveled Wing, I use 2 hour and try to get ISL and HQ clinoid wing, then I warp.
2 hour him again, use revitalizer and warp. Then go to MMM maze voucher 09, use 2 hr and warp. Try to buy these from AH if you have the gil, he is a tough mob to solo.
After you waste all your 2 hours, you can use berserkers drink to kill him 1 time and use fools drinks on the rest of the runs without 2 hour up to kill him. I would recommend farming 25 of these off the bat before you start anything and bring a mage with you if you can.

-Exorcised skull- Another pain in the ... Grab a whm and get 20+ of these skulls. If you are not familiar with this NM, he reraises alot and uses tp move and magic spell as soon as he RRs. You can avoid it by running. I just now realize I could have soloed this NM with MNK/BLM for stun or MNK/DRK. When he reraises alot he eventually gets access to -ga 4, death and paralysga. If you have no shadows freeze II as well.

Skulls and wings suck and are 100k in the AH.(bismarch server). Everything else is cake for anyone attempting chloris.

Chloris For chloris you want THF and you want to try to land TH11 and you want stacks of holy waters. Hes cake thats about it. Kill slow if you want 2 buds for the TH to proc.

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Amber farming If you have ninja90 and warrior90 which you should for red procs... Amber farming is cake. grab T1 VNM crystal and go by conflux 1 on the right is where T1 pops. There is about 5 pops up at the same time. they give +5 light each. You can cap pearl light, and azure light in about 10 mins each. Then you can amber kill the T1 in 10 more mins. In about 30 mins you will have capped amber azure and pearl.
Fell cleave bats, couerls, scorpions (drops ruby light), or mandies.
Couerls were the best for me. Camp is open and they link easily and are conned easy prey with bad accuracy as well.

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Key item NMs

When its time to pop the NMs 25+ times. All you need is a WAR,NIN and a WHM for healing. MNK for staff WS since i was mnk doing h2h empyrean. Simple proc red and kill with chukwa, Ophanim, Noc Trebles, Hedejet.


Thats about it for anyone wanting to do chloris. We grabbed chukwa when we can, and did amber chest and TE while waiting his repop. You can bribe ppl to helping with chukwa by giving them lacovie drops from all the sets u will get. If they see a bunch of ppl camping chukwa, the other group usually warps out and u have no competition.
Peace.

[Yugl]

It's exercised skull dumbass.