Final Form Magian Weapons

[orson]

Makes me sad when even people like this can get the best weapons in the game.

To design content that only caters to people with the biggest wallets, and an obscene amount of free time (E.I. relics/mythics) is fucking retarded. Again it wasn't like you had to beat AV to get a relic you just needed a combination of gil, free time, and friends/suckers. Maybe we should just provide a static bonus of stats that's based on the amount of time you've spent as a leader in dynamis.

[Nermie]

Wait - Fievel you led Dynamis?

[Fievel]

To design content that only caters to people with the biggest wallets, and an obscene amount of free time (E.I. relics/mythics) is fucking retarded. Again it wasn't like you had to beat AV to get a relic you just needed a combination of gil, free time, and friends/suckers. Maybe we should just provide a static bonus of stats that's based on the amount of time you've spent as a leader in dynamis.

I was in no way saying old content was the best ever and the way to go, simply saying that a complete moron being able to get the best gear makes me sad.

@Nermie No, never. lol

[orson]

I was in no way saying old content was the best ever and the way to go, simply that a complete moron can get the best gear makes me sad.

@Nermie No, lol

And my point is morons could get the best gear before as well. There's no good solution you can make nigh impossible mobs like AV and PW but that's fairly retarded too. MMOs for the most part aren't really hard they're just meant to be time consuming.

[Nermie]

Yeah I thought so. Sorry dudes, you can make relics without buying gil or taking advantage of friends. How else should people be rewarded for having enough free time to play this game?

Taking advantage of suckers (e.g. somebody that misprices something) is an appropriate way of funding relics.

[Fievel]

And my point is morons could get the best gear before as well. There's no good solution you can make nigh impossible mobs like AV and PW but that's fairly retarded too. MMOs for the most part aren't really hard they're just meant to be time consuming.

Meh, that's true I suppose.

Taking advantage of suckers (e.g. somebody that misprices something) is an appropriate way of funding relics.

lol, I had forgotten all about your kclub shit.

[Thorny]

There should be a balance. A 2 month-old character shouldn't be the best DD on my server.

Everything doesn't need to be as hard as relics used to be(though I've made enough gil to get 4 relics in the last month and a half.. so those aren't hard any more either), but it should certainly be harder than empyreans are. Realistically, you can turn a naked 90 DD into fully meritted, perfectly equipped in a week if you have time off from school/work.

[Nermie]

Agreed but then again all the superhot relic DD's prior to the level cap/abyssea updates were starting to quit. SE is just milking this. All concepts of balance are gone.

[Foldypaws]

Go to the zone some night and find a group killing Orthrus for claws. Graciously offer to lot a mantle for them. I was giving those away for free on my way to 90 Twashtar.

Yes you were! (did you ever get that Hadhayosh Hoyhadosh.... LaThiene Behemoth btw?)

[Odin'sLaw]

There should be a balance. A 2 month-old character shouldn't be the best DD on my server.

Everything doesn't need to be as hard as relics used to be(though I've made enough gil to get 4 relics in the last month and a half.. so those aren't hard any more either), but it should certainly be harder than empyreans are. Realistically, you can turn a naked 90 DD into fully meritted, perfectly equipped in a week if you have time off from school/work.

Good thing Aldric is 8 months old then rite?

[Fievel]

There should be a balance. A 2 month-old character shouldn't be the best DD on my server.

Everything doesn't need to be as hard as relics used to be(though I've made enough gil to get 4 relics in the last month and a half.. so those aren't hard any more either), but it should certainly be harder than empyreans are. Realistically, you can turn a naked 90 DD into fully meritted, perfectly equipped in a week if you have time off from school/work.

Two weeks without time off, sad but true.

[orson]

Odds are is if there's enough people that want really "hardcore" content then Emps will split off on 2 paths in the future. I don't think many people would have a problem with that.

[Thorny]

Good thing Aldric is 8 months old then rite?

Don't know who Aldric is(if they renamed you're just being a retard not mentioning their real name), but my 2 month old galka has perfect equipment for WAR, capped merits, and ukon90. If nothing else, that guarantees a tie for best DD, which illustrates my point fine(and I don't think it's a tie either, any non-galka is inferior even if it's not a matter of player ability). If you really want to wave penises, can PM me.. just was commenting on how easy shit is now.

[Fievel]

Odds are is if there's enough people that want really "hardcore" content then Emps will split off on 2 paths in the future. I don't think many people would have a problem with that.

I'd welcome this with open arms personally.

Though you could argue that this is already how it is with WoE vs. Emp

[Odin'sLaw]

Don't know who Aldric is(if they renamed you're just being a retard not mentioning their real name), but my 2 month old galka has perfect equipment for WAR, capped merits, and ukon90. If nothing else, that guarantees a tie for best DD, which illustrates my point fine(and I don't think it's a tie either, any non-galka is inferior even if it's not a matter of player ability). If you really want to wave penises, can PM me.. just was commenting on how easy shit is now.

Aldric is just my new char since i came back after a years break can't change forum name :/

[Yugl]

Odds are is if there's enough people that want really "hardcore" content then Emps will split off on 2 paths in the future. I don't think many people would have a problem with that.

This is what concerns me most. From what I'm hearing, I'll have 1-2 people willing to help me with Almace if I do up to 85, but due to time constraints, I don't see myself passing the LV90 version. That's why I've strongly considered the WoE version that takes less time with the exception of coins.

Edit: And yes, ODD makes the lesser base damage of OAT irrelevant, but considering it's a weapon I would like to use after 99, it would be nice to progress.

[Humblejoe]

I made my relic in less than 4 months through a combination of sponsorship, and buying currency. Nearly all of my game time was spent in Dynamis those 3~ hours every Dyn run. Otherwise I was in school or studying. Relics were a joke to make, and gil was so easy to make in mass amounts in 2009/early 2010. I literally came back from afk, bought shit out of bazaars, went back afk and came back with at least 2m than I did before. I don't see how any of that is ripping anyone off? I also wasn't the leader, or a SH until I became sponsor.

[Byrthnoth]

Yes you were! (did you ever get that Hadhayosh Hoyhadosh.... LaThiene Behemoth btw?)

I didn't, but my interest in Savior also decreased when people started saying it was mediocre. Some day I'm going to go finish them up but I'm not in a huge rush.

[Correction]

Realistically, you can turn a naked 90 DD into fully meritted, perfectly equipped in a week if you have time off from school/work.

"Realistically"

Better to reward time invested with items than Dynamis/HNM titles. I don't see a problem here at all considering how old this game is.

[Thorny]

So make it 2 weeks if you're out of college and have a steady job, /shrug. That is far too low for the upper bound of a MMO. It took longer than that to max out the console FFs.