Final Form Magian Weapons

[Nermie]

I wiped to an NM when I first tried to dualbox it and a JP duo came over and helped me kill it, gave me full drop. Later I wiped again because I had to afk for a minute to get the door (I like how RL people don't understand/care the complexity of dualboxing) and a whole NA LS helped kill it for me, gave me full drop again.

I feel like it's not typical but I'm noticing a lot of nicer people these days even with the asshatery that's expected.

[drwaffles]

JP cocksuckery still exists?

[TehKerm]

Sorry but if someone is retarded enough to wipe something, and i need it, im taking it. DNA you personally wouldnt let something depop, and neither would anyone else in this game, stop lieing to yourself.

[Shenrien]

I wiped to an NM when I first tried to dualbox it and a JP duo came over and helped me kill it, gave me full drop. Later I wiped again because I had to afk for a minute to get the door (I like how RL people don't understand/care the complexity of dualboxing) and a whole NA LS helped kill it for me, gave me full drop again.

I feel like it's not typical but I'm noticing a lot of nicer people these days even with the asshatery that's expected.

Every god damn time I take the time to take someones wiped mob, kill it for them after reprocing red and yellow and inviting them before it dies I get fucking threatened to be GM'd what the fuck! I know GM can't do shit cause a white mob is a fair mob as long as the party isn't like charmed or something and other members of the party are just running for their lives... I think that's the only condition I don't know for sure but really.. Fuck trying to be nice it doesn't pay off.

[Colenzo]

Well, you see, you gotta tell them what you're doing first before they get a big dick and start raging.

[Nermie]

Every god damn time I take the time to take someones wiped mob, kill it for them after reprocing red and yellow and inviting them before it dies I get fucking threatened to be GM'd what the fuck! I know GM can't do shit cause a white mob is a fair mob as long as the party isn't like charmed or something and other members of the party are just running for their lives... I think that's the only condition I don't know for sure but really.. Fuck trying to be nice it doesn't pay off.

Yeah some people rage. I just lol'd in /tell to them after I died and they were like, {Do you need any help?}

[DNAval]

Tehkerm you are absolutely 100% right about that I would not let the mob depop I'd hold it till they recover, invite them help them kill it and give them a big

Note on that I wrote ( at the very least ) on decent things to do. Ofcourse I would not let it depop.

And for the guy with the mouse avatar I can spend all day trying to give you examples on why is wrong to take a "popped" NM but I won't if you would like to keep trying to make yourself feel better about it go for it.

[Fievel]

lol

I just feel so guilty

[Tsuko_Asura]

Tehkerm you are absolutely 100% right about that I would not let the mob depop I'd hold it till they recover, invite them help them kill it and give them a big

Note on that I wrote ( at the very least ) on decent things to do. Ofcourse I would not let it depop.

And for the guy with the mouse avatar I can spend all day trying to give you examples on why is wrong to take a "popped" NM but I won't if you would like to keep trying to make yourself feel better about it go for it.

I'm going to go ahead and assume your specific notation of "popped" wasn't coincidental. Take a second to think about this rationally. The sole difference between a "popped" NM(which you clearly find morally apprehensible to take hold of after a wipe) and a "spawned" NM(which again, given the distinction by your quotations, I'm going to assume you don't find to be morally bound to whomever initially has it) is the number of steps required to engage it. There's some degree of competition on every level of the process, just as is the case with something like Fafnir. Cleaving for pop items? Your claim over X-fodder mob took the opportunity away from everyone else. Red !!-procing for pop items? Your claim over X-NM took the opportunity away from everyone else. Sitting in a crowded area spamming for a spawned NM? Your claim over X-NM took the opportunity away from everyone else. Its the exact same process, the difference is only found in the number of steps in the process. Just because you were successful in Part A, doesn't mean you have the exclusive rights to attempts at Part B and Part C, and if an audience sits and watches as your failed attempt at Part-X disappears, they're delaying the goals of you and themselves.

[Strawhat]

anyone know how a low man group of 5 can killl Apademak? for emp items mainly
just tried one with shaky setup, nin war whm whm blm
from info we read on wiki assumed he is a pushover like Alfard
the whole attempt lasted under a minute
nin said he got hit with Thunder 4, then Plague Swipe >> died and war took over, but didn't last long, got hit by 2 fullminations back to back, game over
watched JP group kill 3 of their pops all with one brew, each kill took 10-15 sec~ (3-4 ws + 2 sc)
each blade hi done about 15k and darkness 15k more
so if 1 brew is 3 kills roughly 4 A. horns, then would need about 4 mil cruor to get 90 kannagi done, which isn't that bad would take way less time, but first
would like to know if there are any other good ways to kill it..??

[Cream Soda]

Stun it's spells

[Strawhat]

that's what blm was for, to stun spells cast on itself, but i did no such thing, casted and landed ones on ninja, then 2 level ups and fulminations...

[DNAval]

@ tsuko If you want we can discuss this over pm's I'm done talking about it here.

But I'll give you a quick reply, in the case of the example you gave (faf)
It's 1NM that both parties camped and spend equal time camping full wipe is fair game.

In the case of chloris your talking about 2 NMs your pop and the other pts pop, each of you spent time farming each pop in this case 2 pops, now they wipe but no matter what happens next you still have you pop, now this is where everyone has their own view, you can:

1.- take it ( then go on bg and brag about it " harr harr those noobs wipe free chloris!!! "

2.- let it depop ( cause you really don't like those people but don't want drama )

3.- claim it and help them kill it ( maybe karma will pay off and theyll let you lot 1 )

4.- claim it ( get hate tells try to clarify your trying to help them -> continue getting hate tells -> tell them to fuck off ) win?

[Cream Soda]

3.- claim it and help them kill it ( maybe karma will pay off and theyll let you lot 1 )

"maybe" getting 1 is payment for not getting a guaranteed 1 and possible 2?

[Yugl]

You know you woulda stole it too. I hate hypocrites.

Would you like a cape and a glassball to go with that statement?

[Odin'sLaw]

@ tsuko If you want we can discuss this over pm's I'm done talking about it here.

But I'll give you a quick reply, in the case of the example you gave (faf)
It's 1NM that both parties camped and spend equal time camping full wipe is fair game.

In the case of chloris your talking about 2 NMs your pop and the other pts pop, each of you spent time farming each pop in this case 2 pops, now they wipe but no matter what happens next you still have you pop, now this is where everyone has their own view, you can:

1.- take it ( then go on bg and brag about it " harr harr those noobs wipe free chloris!!! "

2.- let it depop ( cause you really don't like those people but don't want drama )

3.- claim it and help them kill it ( maybe karma will pay off and theyll let you lot 1 )

4.- claim it ( get hate tells try to clarify your trying to help them -> continue getting hate tells -> tell them to fuck off ) win?

i've done 3 so many times to get it to turn into a number 4, been an ass is just easier the only reward is your soul just dies in the end so nothing big

Cream stop been lazy and farm dragua now

[Arthars]

anyone know how a low man group of 5 can killl Apademak? for emp items mainly
just tried one with shaky setup, nin war whm whm blm
from info we read on wiki assumed he is a pushover like Alfard
the whole attempt lasted under a minute
nin said he got hit with Thunder 4, then Plague Swipe >> died and war took over, but didn't last long, got hit by 2 fullminations back to back, game over
watched JP group kill 3 of their pops all with one brew, each kill took 10-15 sec~ (3-4 ws + 2 sc)
each blade hi done about 15k and darkness 15k more
so if 1 brew is 3 kills roughly 4 A. horns, then would need about 4 mil cruor to get 90 kannagi done, which isn't that bad would take way less time, but first
would like to know if there are any other good ways to kill it..??

check the uleguerand thread

i have a whole write up there including how to dodge lithic breathe

as for claim drama, i gave up helpuing after a particular incident whereby a JP MNK + whm duo died to isgebind on pop spotn.... so as they wipe i only have 3 sec before it depop....so i dont have time to say "im going to help you". I ran as fast as i could after killing kurs and claimed it...and however, my whm wasnt on follow and is far off....it casted ga IV at 5% HP....i didnt have time to press my oshit mdb macro and died....the JP then laughed at me and warped....

fucking JP...i told him i am trying to help and he told me not to make up excuses....i think he got hurt because he thinks mnk + whm can take on anything

from then on, i fucking let everything depop and laughed(secretly) at their corpse


only apply to JP tho...i think they have a problem with huge ragey cock... as for NA i have no problem helping them kill and let them have drops after even w/o explanation

[Cream Soda]

Cream stop been lazy and farm dragua now

Negative

Went down there today. of 4 diff groups (not including myself) had 6 other people (again not including myeslf) standing at the ??? trying to pop the thing.

Lost twice and logged.

[Arthars]

yea dragua and apademak has become a lag fest lately on ifrit too during JP prime....

grin everytime i ran pass and see people now

[Odin'sLaw]

Negative

Went down there today. of 4 diff groups (not including myself) had 6 other people (again not including myeslf) standing at the ??? trying to pop the thing.

Lost twice and logged.

me kim and ales went before mains the other night killed 2 shadows got 1 KI he died dropped a gold with his ki killed a link got a 3rd ki, took some jp ls till 10 mins till mains to kill 2 dragua (been there since an hour before hand mind you) luckily got 3 killed in 10 min's with kim brewing it now i see jp's shouting for Apa farming i wouldn't trust a shout group on apa personally